Current Litigation

[AnthonyCea]

Yeah folks, let's not put the judge on trial in this thread = not good for Kier.

 

[Anthony Parsons]

I'd absolutely sign a declaration with the facts on why I moved, being:

• They lied to customers with licensing and product announcements
• They released poor quality software and at a greater price than the competitors
• They then attacked the new startup because it threatens them with quality and customer service

I think that about does it. It was the strike three that did it for me... after staff stated publicly that healthy competition was a great thing, blah blah blah... which was another lie with the lawsuit and its release date.

 

[jonsidneyb]

I'd absolutely sign a declaration with the facts on why I moved, being:

• They lied to customers with licensing and product announcements
• They released poor quality software and at a greater price than the competitors
• They then attacked the new startup because it threatens them with quality and customer service

I think that about does it. It was the strike three that did it for me... after staff stated publicly that healthy competition was a great thing, blah blah blah... which was another lie with the lawsuit and its release date.

I wanna sign too.

 

[AnthonyCea]

I have made my reasons plain from day one on the vB forum when I got banned by Ray Morgan when the blow up started, it is all about the changes in licensing.

The terrible function (UI taking steps backward) and look (design worse than prior versions) of vB 4 are only the icing on the cake as far as me not ever wanting to do business with IB again.

 

[Blandt]

every responsible party will be held responsible. Give me few days

 

[jonsidneyb]

every responsible party will be held responsible. Give me few days

Waiting for this one.

 

[Blandt]

Waiting for this one.

my priority is to get the involved party's attention (vB owners). I am on it, I am going to need help When the time is right I will ask for it

 

[AnthonyCea]

The vB owners who have moved on and updated will be of little help, it is those who never accepted new licensing terms by updating that remain on the original "lifetime owned licenses".

PS: We are going to head off topic again if we keep commenting here though.

 

[ManagerJosh]

The vB owners who have moved on and updated will be of little help, it is those who never accepted new licensing terms by updating that remain on the original "lifetime owned licenses".

PS: We are going to head off topic again if we keep commenting here though.

And there are some like myself who bought a vBulletin 4 license only to stay updated, but left their vBulletin 3 license alone in order to keep those terms.

 

[Blandt]

The vB owners who have moved on and updated will be of little help, it is those who never accepted new licensing terms by updating that remain on the original "lifetime owned licenses".

Not necessarily true (long shot but we'll give it a try given the number ... that's the beauty of class action lawsuits)
up with me in informing vBulletin customers who bought their licenses before Aug 2008 about what's going on

 

[AnthonyCea]

And there are some like myself who bought a vBulletin 4 license only to stay updated, but left their vBulletin 3 license alone in order to keep those terms.

When you took their update, you accepted new license terms, you had to agree before they allow you to download, so I think your rights are gone under the original owned license.

 

[Blandt]

When you took their update, you accepted new license terms, you had to agree before they allow you to download, so I think your rights are gone under the original owned license.

Not necessarily true IF combined with other issues
we have nothing to lose

 

[Elizabeth]

When you took their update, you accepted new license terms, you had to agree before they allow you to download, so I think your rights are gone under the original owned license.

IF I wanted to keep running my forum using vb at all, I had no option, I HAD to renew. I could renew and use vb 3 series but I HAD to renew. And as much as I hated the idea, I wasn't ready to try and learn a new system at that time. IPB was just too much for me and free wasn't in the cards.

 

[Jamie]

In my humble opinion, instead of a class action suit I think the real way to respond to IB is to not buy any more licenses, don't upgrade to the next major version and don't sell your old vB license if you move to a different platform.

Given they have roughly 130,000 licenses out there according to their own statement, the more we 'take off the table for revenue' that worse it gets for them and they will have to change their way of doing business..

This is my opinion though.. and I know it seems like an uphill battle when faced with new licenses sold and the 130,000 but I think this type of action would snowball if done correctly and if the community got behind it..

Jamie

 

[Blandt]

In my humble opinion, instead of a class action suit I think the real way to respond to IB is to not buy any more licenses, don't upgrade to the next major version and don't sell your old vB license if you move to a different platform.

Given they have roughly 130,000 licenses out there according to their own statement, the more we 'take off the table for revenue' that worse it gets for them and they will have to change their way of doing business..

This is my opinion though.. and I know it seems like an uphill battle when faced with new licenses sold and the 130,000 but I think this type of action would snowball if done correctly and if the community got behind it..

Jamie

YES !! that's plan A.1 ( Plan A and Plan A.1 are not exclusive we can still proceed with what's owed to us vB license holders)
That's another strategy all together. We need the help of coders and designers, not everyone can make the transition right away. I bought an IPB license before I even heard of xenforo

 

[Elizabeth]

In my humble opinion, instead of a class action suit I think the real way to respond to IB is to not buy any more licenses, don't upgrade to the next major version and don't sell your old vB license if you move to a different platform.

Given they have roughly 130,000 licenses out there according to their own statement, the more we 'take off the table for revenue' that worse it gets for them and they will have to change their way of doing business..

This is my opinion though.. and I know it seems like an uphill battle when faced with new licenses sold and the 130,000 but I think this type of action would snowball if done correctly and if the community got behind it..

Jamie

And Jamie, we are still "fighting" those who think that vb is the best thing since sliced bread.

Well, it may have been and if IB ever leaves it alone and let the coders do what's best, it could be again...but the MANGLEMENT is too busy trying to make money.

 

[Saeed]

I just read Kier's announcement and then this complete thread.

Though I would love to voice out my opinion(s) about IB, I will suffice saying just this much that XenForo has the potential to completely change the shape of the forum / community software market and was and is a bold step in a new direction. Without saying anything about IB and what it has done with its customers, I believe that that itself is enough to win my respect.

Kier, Mike and Ashley, I wish you the very best of luck with XenForo and with these silly law suits. Keep your chin up high.

 

[ManagerJosh]

When you took their update, you accepted new license terms, you had to agree before they allow you to download, so I think your rights are gone under the original owned license.

The license is tied to each license of the software. It is tied to the software, not the person.

Since I have two licenses, my original legacy license still observes the classic license agreement and the vBulletin 4 license observes the updated license agreement.

 

[MGSteve]

Can we please a) keep any posts to do with a potiential class action off Xenforo.com and b) not comment about the Judge at all, period.

Neither are going to enhance XF's situation at all and really have no place on the XF forums.

 

[jonsidneyb]

http://vbtruth.com/forums/

It might be good to take those kind of things here so as to keep this place about XenForo