The silence is deafening and concerning...

7 months since the last update about the future of XF doesn't inspire me to send them my money.
To be fair: The latest news was on Dec. 5th, somewhat over a month ago (though as a message within a thread and not in form of a dedicate news):

Work on XenForo 2.4 is ongoing. A new HYS is coming soon, and we are targeting a release for some point in 2026. As for 2.3.8, we’re aiming to release that before Christmas, or shortly after the New Year.

And when they go bust in the meantime because they can't pay their bills, wages, etc..... ?

maybe they should add a donation button to this site :whistle:
if they are that close to going bankrupt they need more than a few ppl giving them money for no reason to save things...
In the very same post quoted above @Chris D said:

On the financial side, the company is doing fine. Actually, we are in a stronger position than we were previously, largely thanks to the continued growth of Cloud.


Somewhat irritating when the same people that complain about lack of communication ignore the communication that has been made and instead once more phantasize about things that have been clarified officially (not for the first time and despite this kind of behavior is destructive and has be named as that multiple times).
 
Firstly, if they are working as hard as they say in the background, bearing in mind most are like us juggling work, life and family time, do you honestly think that knocking them will give you the best from them? I know from my personal experiences the more you are knocked the less likely you are to put the effort in.
Agreed, it's a motivational killer and is why I've made my comments on this, but don't go on about it constantly. They must have developed a thick skin by now. The criticisms are valid though and comms really, really should improve.

Secondly, all those who don't renew licences but still use the product are in effect taking but not putting back in. XenForo isn't a one-off product, a fit and forget, its something that is worked on and nurtured by all - that's you, me, the add-on developers, the XenForo staff and devs, it's a team effort. When the biscuit barrel dries up, when wages and costs can't be met, don't expect it to survive, then where will we all be?
That would be true if self hosted was all they had, but XF Cloud has been around for years now and earns them a steady income, they've said so themselves, so don't worry about the money.
 
Or maybe you should pay for your license renewal
why should i do that? they have more money than i do.. then personally when i say im gonna do something, i consider that a point of honor so it either happens or theres a communication, full stop....

give them free money for poor performance and communication is purely mental...blame the victim etc....

if you have a surplus and would like to renew for me, please send me a PM or a DC or whatever the heck they are called these days, i can help facilitate your campaign ;)
 
To be fair: The latest news was on Dec. 5th, somewhat over a month ago (though as a message within a thread and not in form of a dedicate news):






In the very same post quoted above @Chris D said:




Somewhat irritating when the same people that complain about lack of communication ignore the communication that has been made and instead once more phantasize about things that have been clarified officially (not for the first time and despite this kind of behavior is destructive and has be named as that multiple times).

i totally missed that post.....so easy for replies to get buried in these threads that you start to assume staff doesnt even read....i think we need a banner notification when staff makes a post how rare it is these days.....that did feel good to see that, thanks for pointing that out :)
 
You could use what has been already there for ages for exactly that purpose... ;)

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Seriously? I am here searching around because I am wondering where the heck all the updates are. I am not a frequent follower of this forum - I just check in once or twice per year to see what's up. What's up is 2.4 promised a YEAR ago and bugs today that are directly impacting the quality of my users' experience on a daily basis - bugs that were acknowledged months ago.

If, as a customer of your services, I have to go to your web site and search for updates because you have wildly missed deliverables that you yourself set, you have already messed up.

I am running interference with my forum because I have been acknowledging the issues and saying a fix was "in the works". How about updates - front and center - that I can believe... and not a suggestion that I have to "follow" staff members and read everything they ever post and filter it for content?
 
Seriously? I am here searching around because I am wondering where the heck all the updates are. I am not a frequent follower of this forum - I just check in once or twice per year to see what's up. What's up is 2.4 promised a YEAR ago and bugs today that are directly impacting the quality of my users' experience on a daily basis - bugs that were acknowledged months ago.
My hint was a pragmatic way for @fireiggyfire to overcome the issue he has by using the existing options he himself has w/o being dependent from a feature that would have to be implemented by XF staff. I was not a request to you what you should do.

When there will be an update there will no doubt be a prominent post be made by someone from XF and as long that there is none there is probably no update / new version as well. If you only check in once or twice a year it seems for one probably not too urgent anyway and secondly you would have to dig for updates anyway as the threads related to them will probably be burried by other threads already.

Of course you could simply visit the announcement forum, where - surprisingly - announcements for new versions are published:


You could also set a watcher for the announcement forum. Then you would conveniently be notified whenever a new announcement pops up. You could even set you notifications to get these via emails so you would not need to visit the forums to get notified. But I guess an idea like that would be too constructive and pragmatic...

If, as a customer of your services, I have to go to your web site and search for updates because you have wildly missed deliverables that you yourself set, you have already messed up.
You are not a customer of mine, you don't have to visit my website (why should you or even I want that?), I have neither missed deliverables nor have I messed up. I have absolutely no relation with XenForo, I am just a customer, the same as you are - so why are you attacking me? Seems rather you are the one who messed up badly...
 
My hint was a pragmatic way for @fireiggyfire to overcome the issue he has by using the existing options he himself has w/o being dependent from a feature that would have to be implemented by XF staff. I was not a request to you what you should do.

When there will be an update there will no doubt be a prominent post be made by someone from XF and as long that there is none there is probably no update / new version as well. If you only check in once or twice a year it seems for one probably not too urgent anyway and secondly you would have to dig for updates anyway as the threads related to them will probably be burried by other threads already.

Of course you could simply visit the announcement forum, where - surprisingly - announcements for new versions are published:


You could also set a watcher for the announcement forum. Then you would conveniently be notified whenever a new announcement pops up. You could even set you notifications to get these via emails so you would not need to visit the forums to get notified. But I guess an idea like that would be too constructive and pragmatic...


You are not a customer of mine, you don't have to visit my website (why should you or even I want that?), I have neither missed deliverables nor have I messed up. I have absolutely no relation with XenForo, I am just a customer, the same as you are - so why are you attacking me? Seems rather you are the one who messed up badly...
I fail to see anywhere that he was attacking you. He was simply venting about the whole ordeal. He never even mentioned you!
 
I fail to see anywhere that he was attacking you. He was simply venting about the whole ordeal. He never even mentioned you!
He answered to my post by quoting me and attacking me for the hint I gave, claiming this hint would be a request by XenForo. Then further using "you" within his rage-post. Given that he seems to be running a forum himself he should probably know what a discussion thread is and how it works, what quoting is and how it works and what in opposite to that a direct message or email to XF would be. As far as I saw in the whole thread there was no one from XF active (let alone that they had started the thread) - so whome did he think to trigger with his "you" if not the person he was answering to, quoting and attacking?
 
These kinds of threads always end the same way...

Sleepy GIF
 
He answered to my post by quoting me and attacking me for the hint I gave, claiming this hint would be a request by XenForo. Then further using "you" within his rage-post. Given that he seems to be running a forum himself he should probably know what a discussion thread is and how it works, what quoting is and how it works and what in opposite to that a direct message or email to XF would be. As far as I saw in the whole thread there was no one from XF active (let alone that they had started the thread) - so whome did he think to trigger with his "you" if not the person he was answering to, quoting and attacking?
Hey! Why are you attacking me?!
 
That is quite literally what smallwheels does in every single one of these types of threads. Interesting.
 
They know that attachments are being shown upside down and the fix is to download a patch from a thread here, upload it to the site, and then sit around with this error in the control panel until who knows when...

Check completed on 15,204 files. The files listed below have contents different from those originally downloaded.

If you have edited these files yourself, you may ignore this message, otherwise you should investigate further as this may be evidence of corrupted or altered files

I also find this bad.

A few years ago we made an application agnostic image recompressor and discovered this problem with recompressing images..
The trick to fix it was to pull the rotation marker out using exiftool before recompressing, then insert it back into the recompressed image.
I believe this is a feature of jpeg.

The reason they probably haven't done it is because this software needs to run on shared hosting, where installing some other linux tool isn't possible.

It's irresponsible as a software developer to promote features in your software that can be destructive to it's user's data, without letting them know about the consequences beforehand... it would be better to remove the feature until it's fixed.
 
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They know that attachments are being shown upside down and the fix is to download a patch from a thread here, upload it to the site, and then sit around with this error in the control panel until who knows when...

Check completed on 15,204 files. The files listed below have contents different from those originally downloaded.

If you have edited these files yourself, you may ignore this message, otherwise you should investigate further as this may be evidence of corrupted or altered files.

Glad I'm not the only one that finds this unacceptable for premium software. @Chris D Release a permanent already!!
 
The reason they probably haven't done it is because this software needs to run on shared hosting, where installing some other linux tool isn't possible.
No, as is has worked before and furthermore the bug only hit if pics were added to a post as an attachment via the "attach"-button, not when added via others ways. It was caused by a code change in this area - simply a bug and nothing that would hinder shared hosting when solved.

But indeed the timeline and behavior regarding this bug as it can be seen from the relating thread is a pretty good example of what goes wrong in terms of attitude and communication:

July 15th 2025: XF 2.3.7 released
July, 18th: bug opened as new problem tied to 2.3.7: Some pictures are falsely shown upside down after upload in 2.3.7
July, 19th: various users confirm the issue under certain circumstances
July, 19th: XF forum mod posts something that probably reads as "there is no bug and you are stupid to claim there would be one"
July, 19th: user identifies the file and code parts that were changed in 2.3.7 and are causing the issue
July, 19th: XF forum mod hints to possible connection to another issue/change
July, 21th: Bug marked fixed by a posting of the bugbot
July, 21th: after various requests a patchfile ist posted to the thread by XF that can be manually copied into an existing 2.3.7-install to fix the issue. Obviously, as a consequence, the checksum for the files installed does not match any more the one a normal 2.3.7 has and therefore a red warning rendered in ACP on installs where the patch was applied.

Over the following weeks there is some confusion if an official patch release 2.3.7p1 will be published due to the relevance of the bug or if the 2.3.7-installer got silently patched/updated in the meantime as the issue was found and fixed quickly after the initial 2.3.7 release. No statement from XF in that regard other than cynical comments by the XF forum mod, arrogantly making fun of customers on Sept 29th. Apart from that: silence from the side of XF but a lot of irritation and confusion by users that don't know how to deal with the patch and it's consequences.

Nov, 4th: finally clarification by XF (via a seven-word-post) that the patched file is not part of the current download of 2.3.7.

To this day (Jan 14th 2026) neither a patched 2.3.7 nor a 2.3.8 that would include the fix have been released. Half a year after the bug has been reported and fixed. A bug that has absolutely annoying visible effects on a forum when it hits. As from the usecase-perspective it is a bit of an edge case it is in my eyes understandable/toleratable that it has not been found in testing in beforehand. The fix was done quickly, within days. But then attitude and bad communication hit: It seems that once the bug was marked as fixed XF forgot that this does not mean that it is fixed for the users, it is only fixed in the internal codebase w/o any effect on the users or new installs/upgrades. XF did not even not bother to fix their installer or (in my eyes the best option) create a small patch release, they did also not bother to clarify that for 3,5 months or to answer the questions customres had regarding the patch or to deliver a proper "how to" for users that are less familiar with technology. This had to be done by other customers. Instead, as more or less often, the XF forum moderation made fun of customers instead of being helpful and supportive.

Today, new installs of and upgrades to 2.3.7 still have this nasty bug that most willing to upgrade let alone new customers won't be ware of. The bugfix is not prominently communicated and the patch that solves it can only be found deep in a thread in the "closed bugs" forum. The warning about the wrong checksum in ACP after applying the patch is still there, teaching users that red warnings are not worth bothering.

The story of this bug shows at a microscopic scale what is wrong with XF: technically solid, but this is trashed by non-existent communication, dysfunctional processes and a complete non-understanding and ignorance of customer needs and expectations (which would as the most prominent one be "clarity"). On top of that ignorance come cynical comments of the forum mod towards customers that may maybe intended to be funny but are in fact arrogant, rude and inadequate.

This way XF kills trust in the team and the company and frustrates and annoys customers for no reason, as it could easily have been avoided.

What would have been an adequate way of dealing with the issue?

a) provide a patch release 2.3.7p1 very shortly after the patch was fixed (end of July the latest). Should not have been much work, could have included other urgent fixes in case there were any (seems not to have been the case) and the issue would have been solved instantly, flawlessly and professionally. Consequence: Happy customers.

or

b) if XF consider the bug as not so relevant: communicate early (again end of July the latest) that there will be no dedicated patch release for this but and it will fixed within the next release. Provide the patch prominently along with an easy to follow how to for the not so familiar ones and provide quick support in case they still have issues.

Personally I would have clearly choosen a), the more as it probably wouldn't have been much more work / time involved (if at all) than with a properly executed b) realistically. However: XF choose to go for c) which is: Do not communicate for months and ignore customer requests and needs.
 
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How much what? Pancackes?
I don't work at XenForo but I'm going to make a guess and say that in 2025 XenForo employees made a total of 325 pancakes which were all eaten by employees at the office and may have boosted productivity.

Jokes aside, I do want to think that they're just really busy working with 2.4 and trying to make it the best they can be.
 
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