[DBTech] DragonByte Mail [Paid] 4.0.1

[snoopy5]

o.k., if Xenforo is fine with this, but I am not. That is a red line I will not cross.

@DragonByte Tech

Sorry, but if you keep this advertising within the newsletter, I have to ask for a full refund. I can not use this product then anymore.

There are free alternatives out there, who do not include advertising in the newsletter. Please inform me how to proceed.

 

[DragonByte Tech]

o.k., if Xenforo is fine with this, but I am not. That is a red line I will not cross.

The copyright information has always been available prior to purchase: https://www.dragonbyte-tech.com/store/dragonbyte-mail.342/copyright

DragonByte's XenForo modifications include a single-line merged copyright footer which contains:

• 1 Link to DragonByte Technologies XenForo store category
• 1 Link to DragonByte Technologies homepage
• 1 Link to a Details page listing the modifications this site has installed

This mod displays a copyright notification in the footer of emails generated by this mod which includes:

• 1 Link to DragonByte Technologies homepage
• 1 Link to Product Description page of this modification

That being said, I can offer the equivalent of the purchase price (excluding VAT) in store credit that can be applied to future purchases. Let me know if you want me to process that for you.

 

[snoopy5]

The copyright information has always been available prior to purchase: https://www.dragonbyte-tech.com/store/dragonbyte-mail.342/copyright

Not in the overview page here, you should add this with a screenshot asap because this is not what people understand when they only see that description

That being said, I can offer the equivalent of the purchase price (excluding VAT) in store credit that can be applied to future purchases. Let me know if you want me to process that for you.

yes

 

[DragonByte Tech]

yes

Done

 

[MySiteGuy]

In that case I need an FTP and AdminCP account in order to look into this further.


Fillip

Fillip, bringing this back up.

I found the issue, it's this addon when used with PHP 7.2. If I run the admin.php using php 5.6, it saves permissions fine. If I run it with php 7.2, permissions always show the "Default" open for every permission.

 

[DragonByte Tech]

Fillip, bringing this back up.

I found the issue, it's this addon when used with PHP 7.2. If I run the admin.php using php 5.6, it saves permissions fine. If I run it with php 7.2, permissions always show the "Default" open for every permission.

I developed this mod using PHP 7.2 and I'm now developing on 7.3, I'm still unable to replicate this issue.

 

[snoopy5]

5. At the buttom of the digest, the line
Mailing software provided by DragonByte Mail. Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

is this advertising still visible in the emails with the newest db mail for version for XF1.5.24?

 

[DragonByte Tech]

is this advertising still visible in the emails with the newest db mail for version for XF1.5.24?

Yeah it is. Branding Free can be purchased as an optional add-on either at the time of the initial license purchase, or later via the license page.

 

[snoopy5]

Yeah it is. Branding Free can be purchased as an optional add-on either at the time of the initial license purchase, or later via the license page.

You might want to think about this in the future because many potential customers can not use your addon since with this advertising in it, it is not GDPR compliant.

We can not send advertisement in each newsletter to our users without their approval. The whole newsletter will be regarded differently according to GDPR just because of your advertiser link in it.

So you should change the price tag above from 25 to +75USD, since this is the price you have to pay to get it GDPR compliant, otherwise the addon is useless.

 

[Ozzy47]

Not everyone is worried about the so called GDPR compliance, would Not be fair to them to have to pay extra for something they do not need.

It's your responsibility to ensure your site is compliant to your laws, even if that means purchasing additions to the addon.

 

[DragonByte Tech]

You might want to think about this in the future because many potential customers can not use your addon since with this advertising in it, it is not GDPR compliant.

We can not send advertisement in each newsletter to our users without their approval. The whole newsletter will be regarded differently according to GDPR just because of your advertiser link in it.

So you should change the price tag above from 25 to +75USD, since this is the price you have to pay to get it GDPR compliant, otherwise the addon is useless.

This is the first I'm hearing of this, would you be able to link me to the specific section so I could look into this further?

 

[snoopy5]

Not everyone is worried about the so called GDPR compliance, would Not be fair to them to have to pay extra for something they do not need.

It's your responsibility to ensure your site is compliant to your laws, even if that means purchasing additions to the addon.

Dear Ozzy47,

I know that you are not a fan of the GDPR. We both had already several discussion about it since the introduction of the GDPR in May 2018.

It is your decison if you do not care to comply with the law, but everyone else who has even only one European user on his mailig list or in his forum, has by law to be compliant with the GDPR. I doubt that there even exist an English speaking forum in which no European user exist.

Again, it is your decision if you are willing to break the law. I do not mind. I am not responsible for your actions.

But for someone who is living from selling addons, this is very important since it reduces the potential market to sell his products significantly. Just because the inside of the newsletter branding free option makes this product too expensive for many admins.

This is the first I'm hearing of this, would you be able to link me to the specific section so I could look into this further?

I have no specific text link which describes this specific situation. As always the text of laws is always written in a way, that they have enough room to interprete it the way they want it to - or at least lawyers try it.

The key criteria is, what a user expects to get when he subscribes to a newsletter. If he subscribes for a newsletter to get the latest deals on smartphones and accessories, than this is an advertising newsletter and he knows what to expect. So in this case, your advertiser link within the newsletter my not cause problems, although it has nothing to do with smartphones and you are based outside of Europe (afaik), so take this with a grain of salt.

But if you have a newsletter for i.e. a diving community forum and as an admin you do not write that this newsletter contains advertisement, the admin will get a problem as soon as a user complains and send this to the authorities

Because the user does not get what he expected to get/ what I promised him to get and this is something the authorities really do not like in Europe. Even worse, if the advertiser in that newsletter is sitting outside of Europe or has his server outside of Europe. You need basically for everything a written consent of the user beforehand.

I know this sound extreme. But it is better to be on the safe side and do not give anybody a reason to try to make some money here, just because I was too lazy and did not pay attention to what my users receive in my newsletters.

Lawyers love GDPR. It is a gold mine.

 

[Ozzy47]

No link to specific regulations or section, then it is hyperbole. #FakeNews

 

[snoopy5]

No link to specific regulations or section, then it is hyperbole. #FakeNews

Please do not start again with these naive statements. We had this already in the past and regarding GDPR I was in every singel aspect correct as it turned out later, although you neglected it always.

We should stop here. This is something Dragonbyte has to decide, not me or you. I will not discuss with you about GDPR anymore. It is a waste of time.

 

[Ozzy47]

This is something Dragonbyte has to decide

Appears that you have already decided,

many potential customers can not use your addon since with this advertising in it, it is not GDPR compliant.

 

[DragonByte Tech]

I know this sound extreme. But it is better to be on the safe side and do not give anybody a reason to try to make some money here, just because I was too lazy and did not pay attention to what my users receive in my newsletters.

I'm not sure I agree with the idea that this falls under the reach of the GDPR. It's my understanding that the GDPR covers how someone's data is allowed to be processed, not specifically the contents of a site newsletter.

A site newsletter is, by definition, non-transactional. It's not important information about your account (such as password reset emails) or anything like that, so if you've received consent from the user to send such non-transactional email, I don't believe the contents of the non-transactional email makes any amount of difference.

I've never added any branding to transactional emails and I certainly would not do that either, so I don't feel like any further changes are needed at this time. Should evidence come to light that this is a real problem, I'd certainly be open to reconsidering my approach

 

[snoopy5]

I'm not sure I agree with the idea that this falls under the reach of the GDPR. It's my understanding that the GDPR covers how someone's data is allowed to be processed, not specifically the contents of a site newsletter.

Unfortunately it is.

Look here:

Newsletter2go Login - Brevo

www.newsletter2go.com

Quote:

Maybe you’ve had the experience yourself of signing up to receive something you thought was free and then receiving unexpected promotional email. It’s not fun, right?

The GDPR addresses the clear lack of transparency around consent to receive promotional emails. This lack of clarity led to a lot of frustrated consumers.

So, now, thanks to the GDPR, there’s transparency for consumers residing in the European Union. Consumers will, in theory, always know what they are consenting to.

GDPR covers also what the user expects to get, when he signs in a newsletter. If I have a newsletter, which does not include advertising, I need a different consent of the user while subscribing than if my newsletter content is also advertising.

Obviously the subscription rate is a lot less, if I have to state beforehand that this newsletter will contain advertising and need the consent of the user specifically for this. With your mandatory advertising link in it, I would need to do that.

Obviously many users will not subscribe to this newsletter, if they only wanted information, but no advertising in it.

Before GDPR this was easy. You do not have disclose it beforehand. They will figure this out later and only few will unsubscribe afterwards. But times have changed. GDPR is real. Users are very aware of this and react very sensitive to this.

We should not make it harder than necessary to grow communities and newsletter lists nowadays or we get killed by facebook & co, because those do not need newsletters anymore. They have their apps with which they can spam their users.

 

[JamesBrown]

I use Sendy and Amazon SMS to send my emails. Can this add-on be used to generate an email with popular content, where I might be able to copy the html of that email and use it elsewhere, ie Sendy? Thanks

 

[DragonByte Tech]

Unfortunately it is.

I think you may be interpreting that website in a bit of an extreme way. It clearly refers to the main body of the email, not whether the footer of the email says which mailing software generated it.

I use Sendy and Amazon SMS to send my emails. Can this add-on be used to generate an email with popular content, where I might be able to copy the html of that email and use it elsewhere, ie Sendy? Thanks

Unfortunately not, the HTML content is not shown anywhere.

 

[snoopy5]

I think you may be interpreting that website in a bit of an extreme way. It clearly refers to the main body of the email, not whether the footer of the email says which mailing software generated it.

It is not the question whether it is in the footer, in the header, in the main body or as a watermark. Advertising is advertising, no matter where it is displayed.

At the end of the day, this is why you have your link there at all, right? So on one hand you want to adverstise your company and put a link in the footer for this, on the other hand you say it is not advertising because it is in the footer?