XenForo 2.0 Discussion
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Digital Doctor
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First off YOU have a top 0.1% forum.
Great job.
What you don't hear is the feedback from people who aren't your users.
That's who needs a voice.
Digital Doctor
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Was page 140, now page 142.
New visitors to this thread will never see the 10 smart posts in this thread. Buried forever.
Forum software in 2017. The last software to have unthreaded threads. Keeping them for all the wrong reasons.
Maybe the success of Xenforo 1.0 allows them to rewrite things now while vB lies in tatters on the floor.
New visitors to this thread will never see the 10 smart posts in this thread. Buried forever.
Forum software in 2017. The last software to have unthreaded threads. Keeping them for all the wrong reasons.
Maybe the success of Xenforo 1.0 allows them to rewrite things now while vB lies in tatters on the floor.
Brent W
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I have had no problem following this thread. Maybe go find a threaded software where it benefits you more?
Brent W
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Lets see some examples from your forums then? Or others?
Digital Doctor
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What were the "big limitations" for extending xF1 ? Is there a top 3 issues that in retrospect were not ideal ?
From a users point of view xF 1.x had less addon conflicts than vB 3/4. Less slowness issues as well. XF1's strength seemed to be it's extendability.
Digital Doctor
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I never said YOU had trouble with following this thread. You missed my point.
And the same will apply to XF2. Even more so. There's always room for improvement. We've spoken plenty about some of the factors that took us in the direction of needing to make improvements. Here's just one of the comments we made on that:
rwm1962
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Our forums rarely generate such long threads. As a sporadic visitor (can go months without looking - based on need) I do find it hard to work through a thread like this if I come across it late. I haven't actually bothered on this one. I'll admit that. The native app for XF thread was a recent one I read end to end.
Dunno if you're taking the piss or not! Easy either way - we're small fry but happy.
Not up on some of the lingo - this is linear? Facebook is threaded? What forum platforms use threaded? Interested in seeing it in operation
Gamorreaner
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I think they mean the view you get when you look at sites like reddit (e.g. https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/67mxe8/perfectly_laid_pipes/). Can be usefull at times, but I would prefer the current view. Nobody needs to see whats written on the first 100 pages of this long thread anyway, because most of it is outdated by now.
TPerry
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Exactly... and as I said in an earlier post I have seen no "roadmap" released by IPS as they've been burnt before and learned. They announce the "new additions" as they are released/coded/implemented the same as the "Have You Seen" topics here.
I don't know how long @Davyc has been dealing with IPS, but I've been with their script since their 4.0 release fiasco. It's taken them 4.0 and 4.1 before they have started implementing the "features" that he's talking about. He apparently had unrealistic expectations of what the 2.0 release of XenForo was going to be and/or failed to pay attention the the official statements of what the target goal was.
Hell, with IPS 4.0 we LOST features that were available in the 3.x line (many of which we STILL haven't gained back). At least the XF crew are working towards feature equivalency.
oO5 Dynasty
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As i see it, i just think everybody who wants to add information on what they would like to see in Xenforo 2 should just do that. If everybody just bulleted a list of features they think would be beneficial to the growth of xenforo that would help everybody. I think if we all keep going back and forth about this stuff is not helping.
- Give the staff here at xenforo your wonderful ideas.
- This will also give devs the opportunity to see these ideas so they can start working on them as well.
- Supply resources ( websites, screen shots, videos etc./ which provide EXAMPLES of features you wish to be added.
- Understand xenforos Direction and how it may be or not be the software for you
- Also don't forget to ask if certain features can just be done with Xenforo in general. If it can be added, then find out if xenforo will make it core or you have to pay an Developer to create it for you.
- Please do not get rid of member cards tho lol
- Would love to see a better friend, follow system
- Would like to see the user upgrade system actually turned into a store and have a better visual appeal to it.
Not in this thread, though.
XF2 is essentially feature locked (and has been for some time, despite some new things creeping in occasionally) and suggestions that are made anywhere other than the Suggestions forum will just get lost and therefore not receive the attention they deserve.
If you have feedback regarding a change we've already made, it's best to post in the Feedback forum on the XF2 Demo.
If you have an actual suggestion, then please post it in the XenForo Suggestions forum (after verifying it hasn't been suggested before).
Gamorreaner
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I imagine the life of a programmer as such, that not every wife will agree with that phrase.
Mr Lucky
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Or husband.
oO5 Dynasty
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you confused me with this statement. Can you explain?
oO5 Dynasty
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That is where i shall go with any suggestions i may have in the future.
Live threads, live updates require a ton of servering power. Most Xenforo website owners are not likely to have the budget to run a large group servers powerful enough to support live updates like Twitter.
RobinHood
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This argument bothers me a little. These days hosting is cheaper than ever.
If you're starting a new community and you fork out $140 for XF, $30 for a theme and $30 for your first months hosting, that's $200 right there with zero add ons.
You then spend days or weeks tweaking your forum, making it perfect, just right for your niche. It looks beautiful, it's perfect, now you just need the users. Great, you go out, start promoting, people sign up, you get a little initial buzz. But then it starts quieting down, users aren't visiting as often. They're not re-engaging.
Why aren't the conversations flowing as quickly as on other social networks you've been visiting? Why aren't users interacting and with each other as fluidly as on facebook? Why is that facebook group on a similar topic so damn active and thriving compared your beautiful feature rich forum?
Because it's missing some of the key features that are vital for helping smaller communities to grow quickly. Features that are implemented by these big networks because they work and make them a joy to use.
Are you telling me you're happy to spend all that money on forums software and skinning, and all that time and opportunity cost sunk into creating your forum only to skimp on an extra $10 or $20 a month because hosting is too expensive for features such as live update and video upload that will help drive posting and give your forum that extra chance of success?
Or would you rather just take forum software as it is today and give it a go, with a much higher chance of your new site failing because it's missing these features that every other modern web app is using? But hey, at least you saved $20 a month for the 6 months you tried to make your site work and now the site is dead and you have nothing to show. You're cool with that, right?
Large forums with momentum and dedicated user bases don't necessarily need all these features, and yes if you were to make everything live on a big board you'd need some serious freaking hardware. So you should have the option to configure or turn off resource heavy features like that. Many big boards may feel they don't need them at all.
But smaller, newer forums need the option for features like these because users simply expect them, it's what they know and are accustom too on all the big sites they use daily. They really do increase engagement, driving growth at the critical early stages. All this live crap isn't just marketing, it works.
If those features aren't available and newly registered users don't stick around because the software feels outdated and don't have the feature to re engage them promptly using the modern web technologies they've grow accustom too, then they will leave to use facebook groups, subreddits, what's app groups, or any other modern community software provided by the big boys that do utilise these live features, and have polished, fast, reliable feature rich web and mobile apps.
It's the smaller forums that are losing out here and failing. The barrier to entry to create a community based on the hosted codebase of big social media site or other community platform is so low these days, members will just abandon your site and make their own community on one of these other platforms, and likely do pretty well.
If you're starting a new community and you fork out $140 for XF, $30 for a theme and $30 for your first months hosting, that's $200 right there with zero add ons.
You then spend days or weeks tweaking your forum, making it perfect, just right for your niche. It looks beautiful, it's perfect, now you just need the users. Great, you go out, start promoting, people sign up, you get a little initial buzz. But then it starts quieting down, users aren't visiting as often. They're not re-engaging.
Why aren't the conversations flowing as quickly as on other social networks you've been visiting? Why aren't users interacting and with each other as fluidly as on facebook? Why is that facebook group on a similar topic so damn active and thriving compared your beautiful feature rich forum?
Because it's missing some of the key features that are vital for helping smaller communities to grow quickly. Features that are implemented by these big networks because they work and make them a joy to use.
Are you telling me you're happy to spend all that money on forums software and skinning, and all that time and opportunity cost sunk into creating your forum only to skimp on an extra $10 or $20 a month because hosting is too expensive for features such as live update and video upload that will help drive posting and give your forum that extra chance of success?
Or would you rather just take forum software as it is today and give it a go, with a much higher chance of your new site failing because it's missing these features that every other modern web app is using? But hey, at least you saved $20 a month for the 6 months you tried to make your site work and now the site is dead and you have nothing to show. You're cool with that, right?
Large forums with momentum and dedicated user bases don't necessarily need all these features, and yes if you were to make everything live on a big board you'd need some serious freaking hardware. So you should have the option to configure or turn off resource heavy features like that. Many big boards may feel they don't need them at all.
But smaller, newer forums need the option for features like these because users simply expect them, it's what they know and are accustom too on all the big sites they use daily. They really do increase engagement, driving growth at the critical early stages. All this live crap isn't just marketing, it works.
If those features aren't available and newly registered users don't stick around because the software feels outdated and don't have the feature to re engage them promptly using the modern web technologies they've grow accustom too, then they will leave to use facebook groups, subreddits, what's app groups, or any other modern community software provided by the big boys that do utilise these live features, and have polished, fast, reliable feature rich web and mobile apps.
It's the smaller forums that are losing out here and failing. The barrier to entry to create a community based on the hosted codebase of big social media site or other community platform is so low these days, members will just abandon your site and make their own community on one of these other platforms, and likely do pretty well.
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