vBulletin 6 has arrived, what do you think about it?

zappaDPJ said:
vB4 was never offered as a Cloud service. There were literally hundreds of critical issues when the software was first released as 'Gold'. vB5 was build on the same code and again contained multiple issues on release. I have a licence (vB5) which I installed self hosted. I couldn't possibly list all the issues I encountered with it or even those I personally reported but there are still 3095 confirmed issues listed in the tracker and you can be sure many of them carried over into vB6.

There are multiple bugs present on the official site e.g. hit 'Mark Channels Read' and come back in a week or two and you'll find every forum and sub-forum emboldened suggesting new content when in reality the majority haven't seen a new post in years.
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That's interesting...
i'll have to keep an eye out for those bugs.
I'm on vb cloud for vb6 put myself on it because i was having troubles with the self hosted one.
Thanks.
 
Phaedrus said:
Gods no, I didn't need "more hooks" in 3, what they did was they changed the use of variables in a way that just made it difficult to make sense of and therefore to make mods. I was able to remake some of my old modifications over time, but not like I was with 3 where I could make that thing dance with little effort.... That one ruled... at least for me. I would point to their .org website there were so many more modifications on 3 than there were for 4. Not just because they were needed there (they were), but I surmise it is because they were easier for folks to write.
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Early on, of course there were more VB 3 mods since it takes a while for mods to be made The same situation happened when XF 2.x was released.

But VB4 caught up and surpassed the number of VB 3.8 mods a long time ago.
.org has
1,991 VB 4 mods
1,449 VB 3.8 mods.

VB 3.x had longer time to gain add-ons, yet has less of them. Its about the same ratio with templates. Once I got past learning what's new, there was more I could do with VB4 than I could with VB 3.8.

Yes, VB 4 was very buggy on release, but they cleaned it up much quicker than they did VB 5.
 
James said:
I disagree however your argument of 4 being better than 3 hinges on I think 2 addons? I know obviously dbtech but I think vbseo was also an addon.

Not nullifying your argument some of the best forums I ever used was 3.6-8 +addons - but I feel like 4+ was just a slow decline into "we'll do what suits IB's portfolio and if others want to buy it they can"
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IB's portfolio? Do you not know what their portfolio runs on? It's not 4+.
 
MySiteGuy said:
IB's portfolio? Do you not know what their portfolio runs on? It's not 4+.
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I haven't looked at their portfolio for a long time. Are they still running the modded 3.8 variety? I thought I'd read somewhere that they were looking to upgrade.

I may have got my wires crossed.
 
MySiteGuy said:
But VB4 caught up and surpassed the number of VB 3.8 mods a long time ago.
.org has
1,991 VB 4 mods
1,449 VB 3.8 mods.
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So you are comparing all mods for 4.x.x to mods specifically released for 3.8?

To which I would argue that 4.x.x was a lot longer there than 3.8.
 
MySiteGuy said:
Early on, of course there were more VB 3 mods since it takes a while for mods to be made The same situation happened when XF 2.x was released.

But VB4 caught up and surpassed the number of VB 3.8 mods a long time ago.
.org has
1,991 VB 4 mods
1,449 VB 3.8 mods.

VB 3.x had longer time to gain add-ons, yet has less of them. Its about the same ratio with templates. Once I got past learning what's new, there was more I could do with VB4 than I could with VB 3.8.

Yes, VB 4 was very buggy on release, but they cleaned it up much quicker than they did VB 5.
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I think that you'll find that all of that when self hosted is hard as you have more to worry about.
What i found hardest the most was filling out the config files. Even if you had things correct it wouldn't work for you.

I opted for their cloud system when on vB 5 where all of the worries were taken away from that.

I reckon i'll do the same if i return that url back over here let the xf cloud system take over.
 
I agree that change is one of the doors of the life, but sometimes change does not bring future. A company vBulletin will never comes up with the best of vBulletin version 3

In my opinion now, the Xenforo versions are the best because of their features and ease of use.
 
I switched to XenForo when the programmer who was writing add-ons and doing work for me in vBulletin said:
- Maybe you should switch to XenForo? It has everything you need.
This made me think, as the person was losing me as a client, yet still recommended it....
 
zappaDPJ said:
It's interesting to note that according to some metrics around 85% of vBulletin installations are still running on either 3.8.x or 4.2.x, around 7 years after both versions were declared EoL.
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a friend of mine told me that i did not need to feel pressured to run the latest software.
his advice was to look at what the new version offers compared to what you have.
if it offers very little to your users and then why spend the money then to upgrade.
he said the only time to worry was if there was a significant security issue with the program.
then you should be looking at upgrading.
 
Opus X said:
a friend of mine told me that i did not need to feel pressured to run the latest software.
his advice was to look at what the new version offers compared to what you have.
if it offers very little to your users and then why spend the money then to upgrade.
he said the only time to worry was if there was a significant security issue with the program.
then you should be looking at upgrading.
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There's certainly nothing wrong with running old software if it's secure and still meets your needs. The problem with old versions of vBulletin is even if they contain no vulnerabilities which is unlikely, there will almost certainly be vulnerabilities contained within their add-ons and dependencies including the unsupported version of PHP required to keep them running.
 
zappaDPJ said:
There's certainly nothing wrong with running old software if it's secure and still meets your needs. The problem with old versions of vBulletin is even if they contain no vulnerabilities which is unlikely, there will almost certainly be vulnerabilities contained within their add-ons and dependencies including the unsupported version of PHP required to keep them running.
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using vb3 or vb 4 in 2024 is ridiculous because they are really old versions as much as vb 5 and vb 6 as little as I have advanced over the years, are still better but updating xf from 2.2 to 2.3 is useless because they are identical and indeed since many mods are not compatible with xf 2.3 in my opinion it is almost better not to update.
 
Ricsca said:
using vb3 or vb 4 in 2024 is ridiculous because they are really old versions
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I am a member on one of those sites and chatted up the owner years ago. He didn't like vb4 and upgrading would be as much work as migrating to new software (he knew I was a Xenforo admin so it came up) due to how he has it tied in to the rest of his site. So he has done some customizing and hacking to keep it going on 3. I find it a bit clunky compared to more modern sites that I am on but it gets the job done, I guess. His money, his site.
 
vb 6 that came out recently is already old... imagine vb 3 that came out in 2024
A forim software that is more than 20 years old can only do its job if you are happy to work at 1% in 2024
 
zappaDPJ said:
There's certainly nothing wrong with running old software if it's secure and still meets your needs. The problem with old versions of vBulletin is even if they contain no vulnerabilities which is unlikely, there will almost certainly be vulnerabilities contained within their add-ons and dependencies including the unsupported version of PHP required to keep them running.
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to tell the truth.
vbulletin has never even been in my consideration.
from what i have seen it is a dead and gone software package.
 
Ricsca said:
A forim software that is more than 20 years old can only do its job if you are happy to work at 1% in 2024
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He needs it to allow posting, replying, and some security around the forums (e.g. advertisers on the main site have threads in a special forum only they can post in to provide updates to customers). His revenue stream is from advertising on the main site. The forums are just a feature for users and, for the advertisers, a value add. So he doesn't really need anything special, just forum software that does the basics. And apparently vb3.8 does that.
 
zappaDPJ said:
It is but it's worth remembering it was once the market leader and coded by same developers who started Xenforo.
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which for me as someone who is new to the forum world and not familiar with its history means nothing.
just because someone leaves a company and starts their own does not mean that it is a move forward.
as easily as they bring new ideas they can also get stuck in the old software company way.
i saw it in some of our support packages when i was working at a call center as a manager.
 
And then you realise there are hosting companies out there who will offer free/ad-supported (paid for no ads) thinly upgraded InvisionFree from 2004. Funny old world as far as old software is concerned.
 

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