vBulletin 6 has arrived, what do you think about it?

zappaDPJ said:
They certainly offer a lot more bugs if that counts.
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can you give us a comparison number of the outstanding listed bugs in xenforo compared to vbulletin?
I have not visited the vbulletin site to read, but I know here there are 32 plus pages here of reported bugs (roughly 800 that are not responded to) just in the forum software.
I think another 100 in the plug ins?
so can you complain that much about bugs in vbulletin.

edit: to fix misspelling and clarify number vs number of active bugs.
 
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Because it doesn’t actually mean anything.

A piece of software with 10 active bugs isn’t necessarily better than a piece of software with 100 active bugs. At a minimum, we would need to qualify if those bugs are a) confirmed, b) for a supported version, c) not duplicates and that’s before talking about relative severity.

A piece of software with 1 critical security bug vs a piece of software with no critical security bugs but 100 very minor aesthetic bugs that only turn up in specific circumstances? Hmm.
 
Arantor said:
Number of active bugs isn’t a particularly useful metric for anything.
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it tells you how concerned they are with fixing or responding to them.
if you have a package with 800+ outstanding bugs and some of which goes back years it is of a concern.
and it does not matter what package you are running or how marginal those bugs are.
failure to fix or respond to bugs is concerning at its core philosophy.
 
No, it really doesn’t even tell you that. Because it doesn’t tell you anything about how much effort it is to fix, or whether the fix is appropriate.

Using the metric of “number of active bugs” assumes all bugs are equal and that anyone involved is equally capable of fixing them. Remember, some of the XF active bugs are literally “this code comment is wrong”.

It’s still a bug, but it cannot affect you.
 
I find vBulletin handy to use for experimental usage only.
While i have an active cloud license over there i don't have to upgrade it all the time. The staff do it themselves.
I have recently moved my most active licence to xf cloud which is great too.
 
Arantor said:
No, it really doesn’t even tell you that. Because it doesn’t tell you anything about how much effort it is to fix, or whether the fix is appropriate.
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if someone can't take the time to close out a reported bug or show it's being investigated then yes it does show something.
ignoring reported bugs by closing them out or not showing their status indicates ignoring them.
as for not affects you.
can you show me where php 8.2.14 and 2.2.16 has a bug?
last i checked it was not reported on the forum (but was in ticket by the guy who runs my site).
apparently there is an issue but it is php related?
it still made xenforo take a dump on itself.
failure to respond/react to reported bugs is telling by its nature.
 
Would you rather a developer spends their time fixing bugs or doing admin? Because you’re advocating the latter here, and I can assure you that’s not usually a good use of a developer’s time.

Can I show you? No, not really, but well done for deliberately missing the point I was making.

There are valid reasons to be critical, but making inferences that are wrong from metrics that are misleading, all because there is an apparent need to find things wrong… don’t go there. I know what it looks like to sit with a backlog of several hundred bugs at a given time and it’s never “because we don’t care” that we don’t get to it.
 
Opus X said:
can you give us a comparison number of the outstanding listed bugs in xenforo compared to vbulletin?
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Arantor said:
Number of active bugs isn’t a particularly useful metric for anything.
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In my opinion that's close to the correct answer.

If you want to try and compare like for like vBulletin had around 3,500 reported but unresolved bugs the last time I checked but the majority of bugs here, there and everywhere are usually found not to be bugs e.g. 'working as intended', 'cannot reproduce', 'browser issue' or the more likely explanation, a problem with a third party theme or add-on (except of course vBulletin is to all intents and purposes dead so there are virtually no third party themes or add-ons to cast blame on).

What's left can be sorted into security issues, critical failures, confirmed bugs, future fixes etc. Obviously security issues and critical failures are high priority and rarer than hen's teeth as far as Xenforo is concerned but quite a common occurrence over at vBulletin.

The bottom line is as a user I regularly encounter and report multiple bugs in vBulletin but not so many with Xenforo. Attempting to quantify that in actual figures is not really possible or particularly helpful.
 
Opus X said:
i visited a few of the newer vbulletin sites recently in my looking at other software.
if what the ones i visited were their basic $180 offering it was not that bad.
seems like they offered a lot more than xenforo does?
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Your message seems like trolling...
I'm glad I switched from VB to XF.
VB shut down the vbulletin.org forum, where there used to be add-ons and user discussions.
Now, none of that exists, and the section https://forum.vbulletin.com/vbulletin-6-addons is almost empty.
 
Opus X said:
can you give us a comparison number of the outstanding listed bugs in xenforo compared to vbulletin?
I have not visited the vbulletin site to read, but I know here there are 32 plus pages here of reported bugs (roughly 800 that are not responded to) just in the forum software.
I think another 100 in the plug ins?
so can you complain that much about bugs in vbulletin.

edit: to fix misspelling and clarify number vs number of active bugs.
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There are bugs on every software site you go to.
Unfortunately even the current site you have up on smf has bugs in it too.
What would suit you perfectly would be the old proboards.com site.
But then again you will have issues with an angry bear most of the time along with people who think you're trolling them with the amount of hate speech you have to use to slag off at everyone.
Most of the time it's the content that is the issue.
 
Dkf said:
Your message seems like trolling...
I'm glad I switched from VB to XF.
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not trolling.
when you compare feature to feature it seems vbulletin gives more for less money?
as far it being better i do not know from an owner point.
i have never ran it.
but from a user point it did not seem that bad.
 
Opus X said:
not trolling.
when you compare feature to feature it seems vbulletin gives more for less money?
as far it being better i do not know from an owner point.
i have never ran it.
but from a user point it did not seem that bad.
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Ok. Could you provide the address of the Vbulletin forum so I can take a look?
 
I found the forum https://forums.shift4shop.com/ and, of course, https://forum.vbulletin.com/

Questions arise:


Why do I see the "My Subscriptions" item? After all, I am a guest.



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Why is the "Login or Sign Up" button outside the container due to the design?


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The verification image is exactly the same as when I first saw it on vBulletin 2.0 more than 20 years ago.
About 15 years ago, there were already forms that could automatically recognize these images.


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Why are some data being output in the console?


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Opus X said:
i visited a few of the newer vbulletin sites recently in my looking at other software.
if what the ones i visited were their basic $180 offering it was not that bad.
seems like they offered a lot more than xenforo does?
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If you feel so strongly about it, just convert your whole board to vBulletin then and enjoy all the more features they offer.
 
Opus X said:
not trolling.
when you compare feature to feature it seems vbulletin gives more for less money?
as far it being better i do not know from an owner point.
i have never ran it.
but from a user point it did not seem that bad.
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The issues come when
a) You want a fast performing site without throwing more hardware at it than you would it's competitors
b) You want any sort of add-on functionality, because there's not much more than a handful. The aftermarket support is all but dead.
c) You want a fairly active support community.

The database structure is terrible. As the forum grows, the requirements for a decently performing site go up faster due to query load, and the large number of joins with the node table to itself. It's really built like a house of cards. It took them a long time to make the turd seem polished, but beneath the surface it's still a turd.
 
Dkf said:
Ok. Could you provide the address of the Vbulletin forum so I can take a look?
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He doesn't have one. He's already said multiple times he's considering "selling" his site (which is running XF) back to Tracy which, if you've been following anything here, is extremely laughable.

He's just here now to complain about the XF devs because Tracy can't do it.

VB is trash, which is why, historically, more sites have migrated from vB to XF than any other forum migration, followed by IPB to XF migrations. XF to VB/IPB were about half as many. Granted, IOLabs doesn't track that data anymore, but I don't suspect anything has changed much, or will change much anytime soon. Maybe someone else knows of another site that still tracks this?

I'd guess there are still more than twice as many XF forums than any other online, mainly because even the people who do nothing but complain about XF don't even want to switch to something else.
 

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