vBulletin 6 has arrived, what do you think about it?

[Opus X]

The database structure is terrible. As the forum grows, the requirements for a decently performing site go up faster due to query load, and the large number of joins with the node table to itself. It's really built like a house of cards. It took them a long time to make the turd seem polished, but beneath the surface it's still a turd.

this is good to know.
i know that i have seen few new vbulletin boards in my looking around.
the look from a user point on the new is so much better than the old.
but have not done any back end work.
as for turds there were a few packages we used on the call center desk that were like that.
the company promised improvements.
and they did make it look nice.
but it still performed as badly as it did before they put a new look on it.

 

[Opus X]

I just want you to enjoy more features that Xenforo is clearly not providing you.

and i just want to compare product to product and realize that one offers more than the other for less money.
i have found that it is not uncommon on a support site for users of that sites product to talk down competitors.
apparently vbulletin put new lipstick on a pig?

 

[Dragonfruit]

and i just want to compare product to product and realize that one offers more than the other for less money.
i have found that it is not uncommon on a support site for users of that sites product to talk down competitors.
apparently vbulletin put new lipstick on a pig?

Nah, it's a great new product, you should give it a try and convert your board over.

 

[Opus X]

Nah, it's a great new product, you should give it a try and convert your board over.

if i was going to do that i would go with invision.
pages keeps calling to me.
so it is still on the table if the site starts taking off.

 

[Dragonfruit]

if i was going to do that i would go with invision.
pages keeps calling to me.
so it is still on the table if the site starts taking off.

Okay, go with Invision.

 

[Opus X]

Okay, go with Invision.

if money was no object i would and have talked about that on my site.
but being disabled on limited income can be a problem.
and a friend made a good point.
i paid very little for xenforo and the xf plug ins ($25) and it is better than the free stuff.
i am saving money up to in case i do want to move.
but thank you for your detailed advice and comparison benefit of why this software is better than others.

 

[javakhir]

excuse me.
i thought this was a discussion about vbulletin.
i guess i was mistaken to think that the two would be compared.

this one suits you more
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.” Plato!

regarding dead VB, I did not see any guy who upgraded their VB4 to VB5, not to mention VB6, but seen 80% VB to XF migration.
you can talk nonsense & think it won't hurt you, but when time passes, that dead VB won't change anything, your written words will remain here, community will remember you who was wrong.

I don't really understand what's wrong with you, do you have another 100 years of life ahead? to write all that rubbish?

 

[Suzanne O]

@Opus X you should try this one https://www.proboards.com
You'll like it because it has everything you need.
But it is moderated by proboards themselves.

Just remember, don't put so much hate speech up that could leave you in some trouble.

Sure if you like vB so much go and convert it over.
Go with their cloud option.
It will suit you.

 

[Arantor]

paid very little for xenforo and the xf plug ins ($25) and it is better than the free stuff.

I wonder if this biases your view of it. I wonder what your reaction would be to it if you paid full price for it.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

I started running forums before the internet existed as we know it. When I got here, I ran UBB (Ultimate Bulletin Board). When Infopop (UBB) tried to reinvent the wheel with their forum software, I switched to vBulletin. It was great. I ran vBulletin 2, 3, and even buggy 4 was great once the bugs were worked out. When Jelsoft (vBulletin) was sold, I switched to XenForo. That was a LONG time ago - and I have never had any reason to switch. I've run Invision Power Board as well as all the free forum software out there - and I even worked for ezBoard.

XenForo is an excellent forum for the price. I'm highly confident that nearly everyone here agrees with this.

 

[Opus X]

I wonder if this biases your view of it. I wonder what your reaction would be to it if you paid full price for it.

i was planning on going invision until the xenforo license was offered to me.
and i was staff during that time on a xenforo site already.
so does that tell you?

 

[Opus X]

regarding dead VB, I did not see any guy who upgraded their VB4 to VB5, not to mention VB6, but seen 80% VB to XF migration.

i am not so fixated on xenforo that i look for that.
i look at it from a point of being a user and then what does it offer me as an owner.

 

[Arantor]

i was planning on going invision until the xenforo license was offered to me.
and i was staff during that time on a xenforo site already.
so does that tell you?

No, not really. People talk about a sunk cost fallacy but it’s not entirely fallacious: someone will generally value a thing they paid $200 more than something they paid $25 for. It’s one reason (though far from the only one) why people who buy forum software tend to work harder than those who use free software, leading to the misplaced belief that paid software makes you more successful (it doesn’t, but people apply the sunk cost thinking)

 

[Opus X]

It’s one reason (though far from the only one) why people who buy forum software tend to work harder than those who use free software, leading to the misplaced belief that paid software makes you more successful (it doesn’t, but people apply the sunk cost thinking)

i already know that the software is not the telling part in this field.
it is the content created.
but cost to benefit ratio also comes into play.
to me it makes sense to look at something that gives you more for less.
i make no claims to know how well it works from an owners viewpoint as i am only a user on a few vb6 sites.

 

[Arnox]

As both a long-time forum user and forum administrator, these are my thoughts on vBulletin.

vBulletin 3.x

Certified 'hood classic. The worst you'll hear people, including me, say about vB3 is that it's now pretty damn old. To be quite honest, if it wasn't for security, I don't think vB3's age would be nearly the problem that some people are making it out to be. But... Sadly, security on any public-facing website IS a problem, and though it is true that it is very usually HIGHLY unlikely that anyone's going to care enough to hack any small vB3 forum, it's best to not dance with that particular devil there and just use something more secure.

vBulletin 4.x

Was pretty bad during the 4.0 days I hear due to how buggy it was, but I'm heavily biased in favor of this version, especially as a user, since I was a user of vBulletin when it was at 4.1.x and later and was actually fixed and stable. 4.2.x specifically holds a special place in my heart not just due to the lovely nostalgia, but also due to how ridiculously powerful the software was and how good-looking and intuitive it was at the same time. Once again though... vB4 is definitely in the same boat as vB3 in that it is getting too old to be desirable to run on a public-facing website anymore due to... Say it with me... Security.

vBulletin 5.x/6.x

This was after the falling out with the afterwards-christened XenForo team, and boy oh boy, was it evident why they left Internet Brands, both legally-wise and software-wise. I think it's pretty clear to many people here that the entire vBulletin suite took a dump after the original XF team left and vB5 came out later. So damn buggy... I might admit that vBulletin 5.x perhaps had some redeeming features to it, but even if vB5 AND vB6 were absolutely perfect, the management at Internet Brands was and is so bad that, in my mind, it wouldn't and still doesn't matter. Their terrible attitude and their terrible decisions have been slowly tanking the company and the community since. vB6 just seems to be a resounding more-of-the-same, and not in a good way, and now I hear vBulletin.org is shutting down. I mean, what more can I say? This crap speaks for itself.

So no, I don't think I will be switching to vB6 anytime soon.

 

[Arantor]

Thing is, even 4.x shares some of the “post XF leavers” issues but they eventually righted the ship (I want to say by about 4.1.0), something vB5 never really got the chance for.

The other major issue vB3 has is lack of mobile support since it came far far too early for that. (I know IB has given it minor compatibility maintenance over the years but I think I’m right in saying they never touched up the front end for responsiveness. If not I’m certain I will be corrected!)

As for “nobody would hack vB3”, I assure you that the majority of hack attempts are entirely automated and do not check whether a given version is present. I have years of logs of hack attempts against WordPress and phpMyAdmin for sites that have never, ever had either on them. This does not entirely bode well for vB3.

 

[Arnox]

As for “nobody would hack vB3”

I didn't say "nobody" would hack it. Just that it was very unlikely. Although I guess you definitely would be right in that spammers and scammers probably would be pretty interested in breaking into as many old systems as possible so that, if anything else, they can have more servers to command.

It's just sad though that you can't use those oldie-but-goldie forum suites anymore simply due to ******** hacking attempts.

 

[Suzanne O]

I didn't say "nobody" would hack it. Just that it was very unlikely. Although I guess you definitely would be right in that spammers and scammers probably would be pretty interested in breaking into as many old systems as possible so that, if anything else, they can have more servers to command.

It's just sad though that you can't use those oldie-but-goldie forum suites anymore simply due to ******** hacking attempts.

Think Arantor would be better off on proboards.com as that is similar to vB 3

 

[Arantor]

I didn't say "nobody" would hack it. Just that it was very unlikely. Although I guess you definitely would be right in that spammers and scammers probably would be pretty interested in breaking into as many old systems as possible so that, if anything else, they can have more servers to command.

It's just sad though that you can't use those oldie-but-goldie forum suites anymore simply due to ******** hacking attempts.

Not that they don't work on modern servers either without help because the underlying language has also changed, which means you're increasing the surface area of trouble.

 

[Mr Lucky]

Using the metric of “number of active bugs” assumes all bugs are equal and that anyone involved is equally capable of fixing them. Remember, some of the XF active bugs are literally “this code comment is wrong”.

I have to admit some of my bug reports verge on maybe being over pedantic. Use of language such as saying alternate in one place and alternative in another.

I may even have reported extra.less template should be extra.fewer

XenForo is an excellent forum for the price. I'm highly confident that nearly everyone here agrees with this.

I imagine people come here for various reasons but mostly to get support, to offer help and to be part of the community. Anyone who doesn’t use xenForo is probably doesn’t have much of a reason to be here.

People talk about a sunk cost fallacy but it’s not entirely fallacious:

It may be somewhat fallacious but I have to agree. Even if you know if it is very difficult to shrug off.