What in the rest of XF design does it match Shelley?
Well, I don't want to sound rude or something, but I did back my opinion up. Can you back up yours by saying with what exactly the default grey editor matches?
This is the post that follows Luxus' where he gave specifics here (he linked this above) and it's by a much admired designer. I think she puts it very well.The old one did stick out, but the new one with the gradient shading effect stands out even more.
Luxus - That would have been perfect!
People will have to style it to suit their sites anyway, might as well make it harmonious with the default theme at least
@Shelley I can see you're getting a bit irritable because you're being personal and rude. Let's try to stick to the editor, not opinions about each other's brainpower
I already covered the neutrality point. For almost all users who customise, grey does not match (I already gave full detail on this0. So they'd have to change it anyway.
The pale blue eg Likes bar, is actually quite popular as part of the XF default. It's the least often changed colour in the palette. A great many admins just change logo, background, navbar colours. Second priority comes the register button and category bars. The pale blue elements for this type of admin generally stay the same so clearly they are liked, or at least found acceptable.
You say the grey editor "matches" because it is completely different to the rest of the default style.
That doesn't make sense to me.
I covered the point about use of an exception colour as an attention getter.
That doesn't apply to grey which is an evasive colour, not a grab colour. Also exception colours don't (or shouldn't) be one offs. Colour runs in triads, which has been known since classical Greece, and underscored by modern psych, to give balance.
You CAN get away with a single exception colour for priority content, or user content.
But not standard elements on repeatedly generated pages.
# If the editor is aimed to be a grabber, it can't be grey which is not a grab colour. Unless that is intended to be a striking contrast to the rest of the design, in which case it would need two other grey elements to balance it, as above, in the overwhelmingly classic art tradition it is very difficult to break. successfully. Many artists have mourned this.
# If it's aimed to be an evasive, non-intrusive, merging discreetly back, yes grey is good. But it would need to be one among other grey elements , or else it sticks out and is not evasive.
Also XF goes to some trouble to get the user to NOTICE the quick editor - placing your vatar beside it, not having to click it open, ven the cursor is there all ready to go. So I do not think this element was ever intended to "grey out."
So it comes back to where the OTHER grey elements in default XF are to be found, which has not yet been answered.
Nice, and remove also those useless button frames. When you hover over it, it encapsulates anyways the button. It will make the bar more compact.
That is the default color in Redactor. Their stock editor bar look a lot better than XF, for starters.
Are you serious? What's the point to upgrade to 1.2, just keep the current version and install a bunch of resources.
I have the greatest respect for Mike's code as the backbone of XF. But it's always been well known going right back to another company before XF that Mike was less interested in GUI design and Kier far more so. To refer to that is not being rude. Developers have their particular areas of interest and it's possible the lack of interest in the editor design is because of this. I ahve also seen it suggested on another thread about another problem with the editor design that Mike has bugs as his first priority. Quite right and proper, and a shame Kier is preoccupied with a big location upheaval so he can't take care of the other side of it.
Thanks Shelley. As readers of this thread may also like me not know to whch post you refer could you give the link? That other thread was quite long so not really fair to demand others go all through it looking for your one post that covers this point.
Either a link or just briefly mention 3 or more examples.
Not the main point here but I should hate nasty gossip to float about Mike or Brogan so I'm putting this in small text so as not to take up space, but here if needed.
I have the greatest respect for Mike's code as the backbone of XF. But it's always been well known going right back to another company before XF that Mike was less interested in GUI design and Kier far more so. To refer to that is not being rude. Developers have their particular areas of interest and it's possible the lack of interest in the editor design is because of this. I ahve also seen it suggested on another thread about another problem with the editor design that Mike has bugs as his first priority. Quite right and proper, and a shame Kier is preoccupied with a big location upheaval so he can't take care of the other side of it.
However XF always comes right in the end so I'm still loyal and hopeful.
On Brogan I have said that things he has said are irrelevant to the point. With someone else I'd have said it more softly, but Paul is a big guy, and he prefers to talk sharp and straight himself. He knows I respect him going back a long way so I'm sure he's not crying on his pillow
Not forgetting of course we also have clashing gradients in this design.
For anyone who doesn't know the thread Shelley meant as she was in a hurry to get to bed and didn't give the link
here it is
For anyone who doesn't know the thread Shelley meant as she was in a hurry to get to bed and didn't give the link
http://xenforo.com/community/threads/very-very-very-bad-editor-design.51813/
Have a nice zzzz Shelley.
However I have faithfully searched that thread on Shelley's posts - there are two whole pages of them! and I scanned them all. Lots of interesting stuff about redesigning the editor -
but NOTHING giving examples of the "plenty of greys throughout the forum" in XF default design Shelley tells us are here.
So we're still waiting this important point which is key to supporting the concept that the new editor matches and integrates with XF default design.
For anyone who doesn't know the thread Shelley meant as she was in a hurry to get to bed and didn't give the link
http://xenforo.com/community/threads/very-very-very-bad-editor-design.51813/
Have a nice zzzz Shelley.
However I have faithfully searched that thread on Shelley's posts - there are two whole pages of them! and I scanned them all. Lots of interesting stuff about redesigning the editor -
but NOTHING giving examples of the "plenty of greys throughout the forum" in XF default design Shelley tells us are here.
So we're still waiting this important point which is key to supporting the concept that the new editor matches and integrates with XF default design.
