Tag Essentials [Deleted]

[Daniel Hood]

Hello Daniel,
Do you plan to manage authorizations with tag categories ? We have the need to hide some tags to registered users and show them only to admin. Will it be possible with your add-on ?
Currently we use Tinhte Xentags, is your add-on compatible ?

That is not a feature. It's not something that I've seen requested either. If you'd like it added and are willing to sponsor the development, that is something we can discuss privately.

Currently we use Tinhte Xentags, is your add-on compatible ?

I haven't tested but I also haven't seen any reports of conflicts.

 

[Freelancer]

Hello Daniel,
Do you plan to manage authorizations with tag categories ? We have the need to hide some tags to registered users and show them only to admin. Will it be possible with your add-on ?
Currently we use Tinhte Xentags, is your add-on compatible ?

Interesting idea. Same as with prefixes, it would make sense to have certain tags for certain user groups only.

 

[ForestForTrees]

Interesting idea. Same as with prefixes, it would make sense to have certain tags for certain user groups only.

I used to use this feature in XenTag to help me keep track of threads that I had to do something to later. I definitely miss it, but I can also definitely live without it.

 

[ForestForTrees]

Daniel Hood updated Tag Essentials with a new update entry:
1.7.0
Tag Categories
Read the rest of this update entry...

I love this feature. Thanks for adding it.

It seems like this is a feature that admins could easily tweak using template edits. For example, I'm not quite sure how I want the tag categories to appear at the top of the threads:

Do I want categorized tags set apart like that or should they be included with the rest of the tags? Could they be on the same line? Both of these ideas would probably be easy to implement with simple template edits given that Daniel has given us the back end.

 

[ForestForTrees]

The one feature that I miss the most from XenTag was the way that it has a better autocomplete than the one built into the core. It was super helpful because it allowed us to have fewer tags, which improved our SEO and user experience. Overall, this is the biggest thing I miss from the transition. I explained it here:
https://xenforo.com/community/threads/extend-autocomplete-for-tags.112186/

My forum is strictly nonprofit ($0 revenue for all time by choice) and I'm having to save up for a wedding (very happy!), so I can't imagine putting much up for funding this. But you've done a great job filling in the gaps in the core so far and improvements in autocomplete really do feel essential. My hope is that there is a hook in the AJAX call somewhere where a little SQL can be updated.

Or maybe I can just do a lot of manual work with synonyms. But I'm concerned that too many synonyms may confuse people because they select one tag and another appears. That's why I'd prefer to have more options appear in the autocomplete pick list.

 

[Mouth]

I love this feature. Thanks for adding it

Could you demonstrate how you're using it? I'm not visualising it's benefit.

 

[Mouth]

Suggestion: When editing tags in ACP and submitting, please remain on the same page without refreshing and returning to page 1

 

[ForestForTrees]

Sure. We are a medical nonprofit focusing on chronic pain and our tags generally break down into nine categories:

1. People
2. Books
3. Symptoms and Diagnoses
4. Geographic
5. Techniques and Approaches
6. Challenges
   
7. Special types of threads
   
8. "Healing Concepts"
9. Other

Dividing our list of tags up into these categories will make it so much easier to browse than the amorphous list of 450 phrases that we have now. People can just look at the list and immediately know what tags are for and when they should apply a tag to a thread. They can also learn very quickly the various conventions that we follow in the wording of tags (for example, it's "howard schubiner md," not "dr howard schubiner" or "dr schubiner").

Plus, when it's divide up like that, it's just more fun to browse. No one is going to browse an undivided list of 450 tags, but they may browse through the books section to find a new book to read. Likewise, if they're facing a particular challenge, they may look at the list of challenges to find someone else in the same boat.

Finally, for people who are providing help to newcomers, it can be super helpful if they can look through the list and find a link to the most relevant "Challenge" tag or "healing concept" tag to help the newbie.

Something similar can also help with applying tags. The "challenges," "techniques," "healing concepts," "special types," and "other" categories of tags can often be phrased many different ways. If there is a categorized list that people can look the tags up in, they can quickly find existing tags rather than creating a new tag. This avoids thin-content issues, which I believe is crucial for SEO, and also keep the tagging system useful, which I believe is useful in getting people to use it. People who find the tagging system useful are more likely to want to improve it, which means a better, more organized tagging system down the line.

All of that just from categories.

 

[Daniel Hood]

I'd like to add that I know this feature isn't for everyone which is why it's easy to toggle off without affecting performance.

 

[reddy ink]

Great update 1.7,
For some reason, enabling tags to show on forum view is considerably slowing the forum (someone else also reported the same issue).
Appreciate an optimized solutions for this.

 

[Mouth]

When I turn on ACP option "Thread List: Tags Visible", I get the following outcome (page size jumps to thin mobile view and nginx error) for the forum's "New Posts" page ...



Thread list pages work fine, it's just the "New Posts" page that behaves this way.

 

[Daniel Hood]

Interesting.

I think your server is throttling the number of requests. I believe the javascript got reverted from 1.6.2 to 1.7.0. I recommend disabling the display tags in thread list function for the time being until I release 1.7.1 (or go back into the previous version zips and find the correct javascript file).

 

[Mouth]

I think your server is throttling the number of requests.

Yes, I have throttling to assist against DOS and scraping bad behaviour.
Thanks.

 

[ForestForTrees]

Hi Daniel,

Would it be possible to raise the character limit on tag category titles? I tried to add "Frequently Asked Questions" as a category and I had one character too many.

Given that admins choose the titles and given the distinction between category titles and category IDs, from my perspective it would be nice to have a high limit.

Speaking of category IDs, thanks for using them. It's nice to have a good way of renaming tag categories, both as I'm starting and, I imagine, later on.

 

[Mouth]

I think https://xenforo.com/community/threads/extend-autocomplete-for-tags.112186/ is a very good idea that would be excellent to be incorporated into Tag Essentials tag suggestions functionality.

 

[Daniel Hood]

Would it be possible to raise the character limit on tag category titles? I tried to add "Frequently Asked Questions" as a category and I had one character too many.

For some reason I set the limit to 25 in the template but 50 in the database. I meant to go with 50. I've updated for 1.7.1.

I think https://xenforo.com/community/threads/extend-autocomplete-for-tags.112186/ is a very good idea that would be excellent to be incorporated into Tag Essentials tag suggestions functionality.

I've replied to that thread with my comments on it. I don't think it's feasible for an add-on but I did provide a way to do it.

Yes, I have throttling to assist against DOS and scraping bad behaviour.
Thanks.

Great update 1.7,
For some reason, enabling tags to show on forum view is considerably slowing the forum (someone else also reported the same issue).
Appreciate an optimized solutions for this.

View attachment 127978

This was originally fixed a version or two ago but I messed up and reverted the javascript change. I'll have it fixed in 1.7.1.

 

[ForestForTrees]

I meant to go with 50. I've updated for 1.7.1.

Terrific! Thanks so much.

Categories are working out well for us so far. I'll try to share a screenshot once it's more fully developed in a couple of weeks.

 

[Joe Link]

For categorized tags, is there a way to display all of the tags in-line when viewing a thread (saving the queries), but keeping the functionality in the tag search? Maybe via CSS?

For example:

Cat 1: "Cat 1 Tag"
Tags: "General Tag"

Would be how it was on in thread_view.

Tags: "Cat 1 Tag" "General Tag"

Basically I like the categories for organization, I just don't want to show them in thread_view

 

[ForestForTrees]

It may be possible to do it in CSS , but that wouldn't decrease the number of queries.

You might try disabling the following template modification:


I don't know if doing so will have negative consequences, but it seemed to work on my site when I toggled it just now. See also my next post.

 

[ForestForTrees]

I love this feature. Thanks for adding it.

It seems like this is a feature that admins could easily tweak using template edits. For example, I'm not quite sure how I want the tag categories to appear at the top of the threads:

Do I want categorized tags set apart like that or should they be included with the rest of the tags? Could they be on the same line? Both of these ideas would probably be easy to implement with simple template edits given that Daniel has given us the back end.

I just wanted to update this post. It looks like the changes that I was describing can be made. They just appear like they need to be made in the "helper_tag_list" template modification. See my previous post for more info and the following for background:
https://xenforo.com/community/threads/template-modifications-and-comparison.48412/