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XF 1.4 Miscellaneous Improvements

#61
I answered that earlier in the thread.
You can simply use !$online, or whatever the actual param name is (I haven't seen the code yet).

Having an indicator for not online seems superfluous to me.
If there's no green dot then they are obviously offline.
That's basically what I was inferring by "I've only consulted myself, though".
This is only my opinion, guys. ;) Just I would like that this is implemented directly in the core, but if this is not the case, it does not matter. (y)
 

Rudy

Well-known member
#65
This is how it currently works:

Online and visible - green dot
Online and invisible - green dot for users with the bypass privacy permission, otherwise nothing
Offline - nothing
Hmm! Interesting. I bet a template modification would be easy to work with to customize things a bit. Nice!

I don't think I've used the "bypass privacy" permission but, if I understand it correctly, would this be a permission the staff would use to "see" members who have chosen certain privacy settings that block them from "normal" members? I know our staff can already see hidden members (they are all set as moderators) so, perhaps, I might already be using it.
 

Divvens

Well-known member
#67
I understand that having a grey/red icon for offline users and having no icon are the same things, but we can understand that as forum admins, not all users will be able to get that.

We'll get 100's of questions asking "Why isn't it shown if a user is offline just like skype/facebook etc" if there is no icon to indicate offline status and only indicating online status. Users who aren't technically advanced or new to forums in itself will be the ones confused at first, and personally I think to maintain consistency an offline icon is a must, because that is what 99.9% of the online indicators do and people are used to that.

It's better to keep that optional and have people who don't want the red/grey icon for offline users remove them via template edits, rather than have it the other way around which would be wanted by the majority (and is done by the majority of other online indicators).
 

Rudy

Well-known member
#68
It's better to keep that optional and have people who don't want the red/grey icon for offline users remove them via template edits, rather than have it the other way around which would be wanted by the majority (and is done by the majority of other online indicators).
I'm OK with template edits myself, in either direction (adding an offline indicator myself, for instance, or having to remove it if I didn't want it). I'm sure once 1.4 goes live, someone will create a resource that will show how to add the extra touches to the online indicator.

You raised a good point though--so many other services use an empty indicator to indicate "offline". Everything from instant messaging to the online/offline indicators I've seen used even in vB. Mine is not so much grey as it is a transparent grey dot that lets the background show through a bit--it looks more like an extinguished indicator light that way, not a grey dot. Opacity is somewhere between 40-60%.
 

Jeremy

Well-known member
#69
We'll get 100's of questions asking "Why isn't it shown if a user is offline just like skype/facebook etc" if there is no icon to indicate offline status and only indicating online status. Users who aren't technically advanced or new to forums in itself will be the ones confused at first, and personally I think to maintain consistency an offline icon is a must, because that is what 99.9% of the online indicators do and people are used to that.
Facebook doesn't indicate if a user is offline, they only show a green dot if they are online (or a phone if they are online, but mobile) and nothing if they are offline. So, someone used to how Facebook functions, would recognize the lack of the online indicator means they are offline.
 

Amaury

Well-known member
#71
Facebook doesn't indicate if a user is offline, they only show a green dot if they are online (or a phone if they are online, but mobile) and nothing if they are offline. So, someone used to how Facebook functions, would recognize the lack of the online indicator means they are offline.
It actually indicates either way, but I agree.

 
#76
Member list viewing permission
A very common suggestion, a new "View member lists" permission has been created to cover a number of places, including:
  • Online user lists
  • Notable members list
  • Full members list
  • Full recent activity list (see below)

If a user does not have this permission, they will not see the members tab but it doesn't necessarily control 100% of the content within that. The permission does limit access to the full "recent activity" page as well, partially for technical reasons and partially because it can "surface" users that may not have been obviously active otherwise.

This permission does not control access to the full profile pages itself and the content on those pages; you should use the existing "View member profiles" permission for that. If a user without the "View member lists" permission but with the "View member profiles" permission sees a post by a user, they can get to the poster's profile. In normal cases, you would likely disable access to profiles if you disable access to member lists but the permission doesn't mandate it.

Great, now I don't need the addon ragtek Hide Memberlist for Guests 1.1 anymore if this can all be done with permissions.

One question, however, what will be returned if they try to access the page without permission granted?
Right now I am getting a lot of Google cralwer errors for 403 when it tries to follow profiles. Will this help resolve those errors?
 

semprot

Active member
#79
I wonder where i can find setting of "Member list viewing permission"?
I've checked Admin > Users > Permissions > User Groups Permissions