Is there a CMS planned?

Biker: No matter what you do, you do it for your own community. If sacrificing a CMS isn't worth it. It's a matter of considering something else. I am sure you make the best choice. I appreciate your feedback, some valid points! :)
 
The forum has to sell itself. And the existing style isn't a good selling point IMO.

I think you are mis-understand the whole point here... The default style is liked by the majority the fact you don't personally like it doesn't mean it needs improvements it just means if you purchase XenForo you need to go create yourself a new style or get someone else too.

The default style is a blank template for you to customize for your site.

Same with the CMS, most of us are looking for a great forum software, there are already brilliant CMS software's and blog software out there... If XenForo becomes a all inclusive package at some point in the future great but first they need to have a product and none of us want to wait a year -> 18months for them to build a CMS just to please you.
 
We believe that there is a market for a focused, best-in-class forum system built on a modern, flexible architecture with great performance and an emphasis on user experience. We would rather get that out to people now so that we can start to build a third party developer community and have people designing new themes etc. than wait until some indeterminate point in the future where we can do everything - should that point ever even come about.

This is an incredibly important point that really highlights the maturity and intentions of the Xen Team; the forum software and the company are still in their infancy; experience aside, the evolution of software takes time and careful attention.

And I think a strong third-party developer community will be an integral component to how quickly XenForo will develop.

Don't worry about functionality, it will come. A new forum software means an entire new sub-industry for third-party developers, this means both free and paid solutions for forum owners who need additional functionality.
 
They want to do those things but they want to do it good [CMS, BLOGS, GALLERIES etc]. Slow and steady wins the race. If they try to implement alot of those features half baked they will only get crushed under it's weight. Let's take this one step at a time, ironing out all the bugs and holes in it's current form and then move on from their.
 
However, would not a site solution include the need for a community element? By specifying a "site" solution, this is something that would encompass everything a community developer would want for their site. XenForo isn't going to topple Facebook, and I don't expect them to. But there are enough ideas floating around that could make this a top notch integrated solution that would make everyone sit up and take notice.

Marketing XenForo as a forum solution kills the product before it even gets started. There are a butt load of forum solutions out there.
Again that's not that they are trying to accomplish here. They aren't here to destroy facebook or twitter but rather consume their resources via REST methods, APIs and such to provide a more enjoyable environment for it's users.
 
Our goal is to do whatever we do well. What we have right now is a forum system that arguably does just that. It makes no sense to delay its release until such time as we have researched and built a CMS, blog, gallery or kitchen sink solution. If that means that XenForo does not meet the requirements of some people, so be it.

We believe that there is a market for a focused, best-in-class forum system built on a modern, flexible architecture with great performance and an emphasis on user experience. We would rather get that out to people now so that we can start to build a third party developer community and have people designing new themes etc. than wait until some indeterminate point in the future where we can do everything - should that point ever even come about.

Biker, if our strategy is not inline with what you require, I'm sorry to hear that, but as you have already given up on both vBulletin and IPB it's fair to say you are not the easiest person to please. We could delay for months or years while we integrate all the great ideas out there, but I do not believe that to be the wisest course of action for us.
At the risk being trivial... That's exactly what I want and it's what most of my clients want.
 
However, would not a site solution include the need for a community element? By specifying a "site" solution, this is something that would encompass everything a community developer would want for their site. XenForo isn't going to topple Facebook, and I don't expect them to. But there are enough ideas floating around that could make this a top notch integrated solution that would make everyone sit up and take notice.

Marketing XenForo as a forum solution kills the product before it even gets started. There are a butt load of forum solutions out there.

yeah, but in the beginning we should be happy to get a forum which is working properly.
As you say, there is no bug-free software out there, but that is the only thing I am aiming for at the moment, as am planning to start several new forums.
Other features can be build into it at a later stage, as long as the Forum itself is working properly (without major bugs).
 
Our goal is to do whatever we do well. What we have right now is a forum system that arguably does just that. It makes no sense to delay its release until such time as we have researched and built a CMS, blog, gallery or kitchen sink solution. If that means that XenForo does not meet the requirements of some people, so be it.

We believe that there is a market for a focused, best-in-class forum system built on a modern, flexible architecture with great performance and an emphasis on user experience. We would rather get that out to people now so that we can start to build a third party developer community and have people designing new themes etc. than wait until some indeterminate point in the future where we can do everything - should that point ever even come about.

Biker, if our strategy is not inline with what you require, I'm sorry to hear that, but as you have already given up on both vBulletin and IPB it's fair to say you are not the easiest person to please. We could delay for months or years while we integrate all the great ideas out there, but I do not believe that to be the wisest course of action for us.

I have used BuddyPress.org for the past and have been active within that community for over a year.
The developers there have listened to all kind of wishes from people and build so much stuff and features into the software, so that the whole system become totally confusing in terms of user interface (although it is in fact just a WordPress-Plugin).

Guess what happened then ?
All webmasters realised only later on that they have troubles with the software and a hard time to use and customize it. So webmasters got very angry and complained about all the confusing features build into it: webmasters complained: "why did you build a kitchen sink ?"

Now they are starting to ripp-out features they have build into it before, because having activity-streams, forums, groups, user-blogs, and much more killed the whole thing and they even themselves got confused by using their own software (besides lots of bugs).

Also the lead-developer who originally started that BuddyPress project left to go onto other projects.
Now their support-forums are full of "how to do this" questions and many people just gave up on using that software. Not a very good reputation for WordPress after all.

Well, that can happen when you try to be everything to everyone and build a kitchen-sink - instead of focusing onto your core-competence.

KISS
Keep It Simple & Sexy
 
Well, that could happen when to try to be everything to everyone and build a kitchen-sink - instead of focusing onto your core-competence.

Which is why I can't seem to tell where the heck we are with vBulletin. It's a soup. However, with IP.B, this isn't the case :o
 
Definitely,Xen should focus on the forum platform right now.Maybe it will take 3 or more year to have this stable and solid.Keep in mind that "Rome was not built in a day".
 
Definitely,Xen should focus on the forum platform right now.Maybe it will take 3 or more year to have this stable and solid.Keep in mind that "Rome was not built in a day".

Let's hope it takes less than 3 years. vB 5 is going to be "very cool" and "groundbreaking".
 
I'm happy to hear that Kier will be focusing on making an excellent forum as I have zero need for a CMS and blog. I suspect 95% of the forum operators feel the same way as I do.

What makes businesses successful is doing one thing and doing that better than anyone else.
 
Our goal is to do whatever we do well.

We believe that there is a market for a focused, best-in-class forum system built on a modern, flexible architecture with great performance and an emphasis on user experience. We would rather get that out to people now so that we can start to build a third party developer community and have people designing new themes etc. than wait until some indeterminate point in the future where we can do everything - should that point ever even come about.
Thank you, Kier. This is exactly what I want XenForo to be.

I'm not waiting for Apache to write a database server.
I'm not waiting for PHP to write a web server.
I'm not waiting for MySQL to write a scripting language.

I use the best tools for the job and who cares who made them?
 
The fact that vBAdvanced has been out here makes me ask a question. Isn't he going to try and tackle a CMS solution? While there might be many alternatives out there I was thinking that was one of the many solutions.
 
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