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[DBTech] DragonByte Mail [Paid] 5.1.0b2
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DragonByte Tech
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DragonByte Tech updated [DBTech] DragonByte Mail with a new update entry:
5.1.0 Beta 2
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5.1.0 Beta 2
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DragonByte Tech
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It’ll look like any other XenForo email unless you change it to use your own HTML.
Alpha1
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@DragonByte Tech as the last beta has been out for almost a month, how stable is it?
DragonByte Tech
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There haven’t been any reported bugs
The reason I haven’t released an update is I’ve been busy with changes to compatibility with the future 2.3.8 release.
DragonByte Tech
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Verification happens once every six months, which is the recommended revalidation time.
Alpha1
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For all accounts?
We have hundreds of thousands of accounts. Depending upon the provider the cost of validating each account againand again would be between €500-€1000 every 6 months. That would not be a realistic expense.
Accounts that we are not going to email or accounts that have recently been emailed do not need to be validated. Validating those accounts would be costs that can be avoided .
Some controls would be very welcome.
We have hundreds of thousands of accounts. Depending upon the provider the cost of validating each account againand again would be between €500-€1000 every 6 months. That would not be a realistic expense.
Accounts that we are not going to email or accounts that have recently been emailed do not need to be validated. Validating those accounts would be costs that can be avoided .
Some controls would be very welcome.
Alpha1
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This is implemented:
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Not planned - Emaillistverify integration
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Alpha1
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I seem to be encountering two issues:
I have set EmailListVerify API and set the limit to 100 accounts.
Then I ran /admin.php?dbtech-mail/logs/email-validation 2 times. In my EmailListVerify account I see that 50 accounts were validated trough single email verification.
But the log only shows 14 accounts.
I then ran the cron manually.
In the EmailListVerify account I see there are 25 single email verifications done per cron run instead of 100 bulk. In the email verification log of DBT mail not all email verifications are visible.
In total it 125 validations have been done and 34 are visible in the dbt mail log.
Is there anything I need to do here to resolve it?
Updated the feature request:
www.dragonbyte-tech.com
This feature request would save hundreds of dollars per run. As is the existing credits will be wasted on validating accounts that will never receive email or that we already know are valid.
I have set EmailListVerify API and set the limit to 100 accounts.
Then I ran /admin.php?dbtech-mail/logs/email-validation 2 times. In my EmailListVerify account I see that 50 accounts were validated trough single email verification.
But the log only shows 14 accounts.
I then ran the cron manually.
In the EmailListVerify account I see there are 25 single email verifications done per cron run instead of 100 bulk. In the email verification log of DBT mail not all email verifications are visible.
In total it 125 validations have been done and 34 are visible in the dbt mail log.
Is there anything I need to do here to resolve it?
Updated the feature request:
Pending - Criteria/settings to limit email validation
If I'm understanding it correctly then email validation is done for all accounts, every 6 months. Because this can quickly rack up costs, please consider to implement a few settings to limit which email accounts are validated: Do not validate emails for registered in the past X months. Do not...
This feature request would save hundreds of dollars per run. As is the existing credits will be wasted on validating accounts that will never receive email or that we already know are valid.
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DragonByte Tech
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This is not a bug nor is it a problem. I'll break it down per point:I seem to be encountering two issues:
I have set EmailListVerify API and set the limit to 100 accounts.
Then I ran /admin.php?dbtech-mail/logs/email-validation 2 times. In my EmailListVerify account I see that 50 accounts were validated trough single email verification.
But the log only shows 14 accounts.
I then ran the cron manually.
In the EmailListVerify account I see there are 25 single email verifications done per cron run instead of 100 bulk. In the email verification log of DBT mail not all email verifications are visible.
In total it 125 validations have been done and 34 are visible in the dbt mail log.
Is there anything I need to do here to resolve it?
Updated the feature request:
Pending - Criteria/settings to limit email validation
If I'm understanding it correctly then email validation is done for all accounts, every 6 months. Because this can quickly rack up costs, please consider to implement a few settings to limit which email accounts are validated: Do not validate emails for registered in the past X months. Do not...
This feature request would save hundreds of dollars per run. As is the existing credits will be wasted on validating accounts that will never receive email or that we already know are valid.
Email validation is already using the criteria system internally.
The only users who are validated are users who meet the following criteria:- They have never been validated before, OR it has been more than 6 months (15778458 seconds) since the last time they were validated
- The email field isn't empty (i.e. user generated by admin)
- The user state is
valid - The user is not banned
Email validation log only lists failures, not successes.
If you validate 100 users and 14 accounts show up in the email validation log, that means 86 emails passed validation. Depending on the validator, the validation result (message_type in the database) can be one of:- Unknown
- Risky
- Fail
Cron jobs run with different rules.
The cron job is hard-coded to run only 25 per run, because (again, depending on the validator) the response timeout can be long and as such it can take a long time to run the cron job if I used 100 emails per run. The CLI allows you to specify a batch size because you are obviously not beholder to browsers remaining connected for X seconds when running a CLI command. You could even validate your whole user base in one go via CLI if you're willing to leave your computer on for the requisite amount of time.As for the feature request, it's definitely something to take into consideration. It's somewhat complicated by the fact that I do need to have the aforementioned criteria always apply, and there is no clear way to communicate to users that certain criteria are forced.
Furthermore, I don't want to encourage or allow a situation where someone might say "Well I'm only sending mass emails to usergroup X so I only need to validate them", which ignores all of the normal XenForo emails that the user will not receive if their email is bouncing.
For example, let's say you need to send a sitewide notice that your site has been compromised and everyone should reset their passwords. Are you only going to send such a critical email to people who signed up for your newsletter? I would argue that such an important email should also bypass the "Receive emails from administrators" setting.
You would end up with potentially thousands of emails bouncing and being in trouble with Amazon, if you only validated a portion of your user base. Ask me how I know
But, as the bot may or may not have already responded to that ticket with, feature requests do not receive a comment unless necessary. It's still logged. Although I suppose I should copy the above into that ticket...
Alpha1
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Thanks for explaining!
What is the cron command?
If I understand correctly then the software does not validate emails that have 'Awaiting email confirmation' status.
This would be an interesting feature to have, because most likely there will be users that have never confirmed their email, but have valid email addresses. I send out mass emails to these members to see if they will confirm their email or if they are running into any issues. Especially since my email service has been suspended for some time by SES (due to XF1 not meeting requirements and not having site style & logo in transactional emails)
it would be nice to validate those accounts as well, before sending email to them. I don't want to risk getting suspended again, but I do need to email those users.
Please consider to add a setting for this.
What is the cron command?
If I understand correctly then the software does not validate emails that have 'Awaiting email confirmation' status.
This would be an interesting feature to have, because most likely there will be users that have never confirmed their email, but have valid email addresses. I send out mass emails to these members to see if they will confirm their email or if they are running into any issues. Especially since my email service has been suspended for some time by SES (due to XF1 not meeting requirements and not having site style & logo in transactional emails)
it would be nice to validate those accounts as well, before sending email to them. I don't want to risk getting suspended again, but I do need to email those users.
Please consider to add a setting for this.
DragonByte Tech
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I don't know what you mean by this, can you clarify please?
DragonByte Tech
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You can run
php cmd.php help dbtech-mail:validate-emails to see the full list of options and arguments.
Alpha1
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That doesnt explain enough to work with it. None of the options make sense to me, as its not clear why or when I would need any of the options.
So we have:
How do I set this to 500?
I see that -h is for help, but it doesnt explain where to put the -h.
So we have:
dbtech-mail:validate-emails [options] [--] <batch>How do I set this to 500?
I see that -h is for help, but it doesnt explain where to put the -h.
DragonByte Tech
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What? I'm so confused...
php cmd.php dbtech-mail:validate-emails 500 sets the batch size to 500.
