XF 2.4 general discussion, feedback, complaints, random off topic posts, etc.

If it wasn't for Apollo/Narwhal, I'd have probably given up on reddit on mobile years ago.

After Apollo died, I was hesitant, but started forking out $4 a month for Narwhal as a replacement. Now I see that $52 a year as a bargain for an ad free, fully native mobile experience for reddit on my phone. Especially compared to the abomination that is the offical reddit app, or trying to use it in a web browser.

There's just no comparison once you start using well designed and developed native apps. I couldn't care less about custom styling, or 3rd party stuff. If it's that important they can also visit on desktop.

As long as the feed is good, the commenting and content creation/submission process is good, and the notification system is well designed for engagement, that's 99% of the experience I believe most people want or need on mobile and will still for the long foreseeable future be far better than what's possible through PWAs.
 
As long as the feed is good, the commenting and content creation/submission process is good, and the notification system is well designed for engagement, that's 99% of the experience I believe most people want or need on mobile and will still for the long foreseeable future be far better than what's possible through PWAs.
Makes sense to me. My want is an improved feed (what’s new).
 
Doesn't need addons, themes, extentions etc. Only needs to work for core threads, messaging and 1st party addons (gallery)

You would be serving 2 different sites to users of the native web interface and the app.
Never going to work.

"Hey Bob, check out the new entry in the Garage."

"What Garage - I don't see any Garage."

"It's right there in the navigation, next to the Forums tab."

"I don't have a Garage tab. Hey admin, why don't I see a Garage tab? What is the Garage anyway?"
 
So one (or a handful) of sites has a garage section that won't work in the app? So what?

Then can click a link to open a web browser and check that one post in a 3rd party add on if it's so important.

We should be doing everything we can to drive engagement with the core product, not writing off one of the best proven tools for engagement in communities of all types over the last 10 years because it won't work with a plugin that a 0.0001% of the entire XF userbase likely use on a daily basis. That's ludicrous.
 
That's just like, my opinion man /big lebowski

:)

edit: Just seen your hostility addendum, not intending to be hostile at all. I just find it always very odd when people make the 3rd party plugin argument against native apps, when it's a tiny fraction of platform usage and has proven to work just fine in the past for other native apps without 3rd party integrations. So it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
 
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Maybe look in the mirror. See this is the exact attitude I’ve been trying to call out in this thread folks. People are just in absolute denial about the concerns for the future of XF.
Mate, this ist the thread about XF 2.4. The featureset for 2.4 is more or less known and the core of it is the new editor. It is overdue, no new additional huge features to be expected and if so there were many standing in the queue for quite a while already that lots of people demanded. So your whole "VOIP and loads of other huge stuff, do it, now!" demands are a bit ill led anyway in this thread.

The bigger issue is that you seem only to accept one opinion: you own. Every one with an opinion different to your's is a moron, a stupid person, or whatever you call him or her - and you seem to have a lot of variations on how to insult people. Someone who does not understand the world and does not understand XenForo and "does not care about the future of XF". In your world you seem to be the only person that understands the world and the only person that cares for XF - not even the owners and developers of XF do, let alone any other person on this forum. The attitude, the constant insulting, the non-acceptance of other opinions and the arrogance from your side come very close to the benaviour in the "has Elon Musk gone mad?" thread - the probably all time low in culture on this forum that has been closed for good reasons...

Not sure what @Paul B meant with

the hostility in this thread.

but I have ideas...
 
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I remember when vB departed 3.8... and virtually died. IPS seems to be heading in that direction as well.
IPS, huh? Really? I'm out of the loop on that. I don't want to derail this discussion so if you don't mind, send me a direct message. I'm curious about what's happening over there. Yes, vB4 was pretty bad for a long time - but I liked it toward the end. After vB5, I came here.
 
Mate, this ist the thread about XF 2.4. The featureset for 2.4 is more or less known and the core of it is the new editor. It is overdue, no new additional huge features to be expected and if so there were many standing in the queue for quite a while already that lots of people demanded. So your whole "VOIP and loads of other huge stuff, do it, now!" demands are a bit ill led anyway in this thread.

The bigger issue is that you seem only to accept one opinion: you own. Every one with an opinion different to your's is a moron, a stupid person, or whatever you call him or her - and you seem to have a lot of variations on how to insult people. Someone who does not understand the world and does not understand XenForo and "does not care about the future of XF". In your world you seem to be the only person that understands the world and the only person that cares for XF - not even the owners and developers of XF do, let alone any other person on this forum. The attitude, the constant insulting, the non-acceptance of other opinions and the arrogance from your side come very close to the benaviour in the "has Elon Musk gone mad?" thread - the probably all time low in culture on this forum that has been closed for good reasons...

Not sure what @Paul B meant with



but I have ideas...
No one said “do it now”. We were simply explaining some new examples of ways to keep Xenforo competitive with modernizations for the next generation. You’re STILL not getting it…
 
Oy my first forum was on info pop in 2001 and was on it until XF in 2013/2014. Infopop changed their name and their focus every year it seems.
The end of the road for Infopop (and UBB) was when they tried to reinvent the wheel with "Open Topic". I gave it a shot, reluctantly, and switched to vBulletin shortly thereafter. I waited until vBulletin 4 was in decent shape before upgrading from vB3 to vB4 - but vB5 wasn't very good. I gave it a short try as an initial tester and then moved on to xenForo shortly afterwards - and the rest is history.
 
No one said “do it now”.
Ah, that's why you come up with these things in the 2.4 thread...
Pluralis majestatis?
were simply explaining some new examples of ways to keep Xenforo competitive with modernizations for the next generation. You’re STILL not getting it…
Sure, everybody is wrong and stupid, apart from you. Also, no one opinion counts but your's. Whoever has a different opinion about what might be useful or desirable for XF is simply "not getting it". :rolleyes: Are the constant insults part of the feature set or is it just bad behavior?
 
As I wrote 10 pages back, I would be happy to get 2.4 released with the features already announced.
I thought that the new release methodology should be more "agile" and less of waiting "just another month or three for that feature".

XF team not starting the beta process and since we are at June already, makes the prospect of it being released to the public during 2025 smaller from day to day....

XF should really try to establish an annual or better release schedule. I also use WordPress and WooCommerce, and getting a new release every four months, whether the features are beneficial to my site or not, feels much better...
In XF case, even when a beta is released there is no schedule to get the final version, unlike other software (including open source like WordPress or Joomla)
Having the schedule is not just beneficial to the users but to the project team as well.
 
Ah, that's why you come up with these things in the 2.4 thread...

Pluralis majestatis?

Sure, everybody is wrong and stupid, apart from you. Also, no one opinion counts but your's. Whoever has a different opinion about what might be useful or desirable for XF is simply "not getting it". :rolleyes: Are the constant insults part of the feature set or is it just bad behavior?
I’m not falling for your gaslight attempts (just like how you randomly bring up Elon Musk earlier in this thread as well 🤦🏼‍♂️). People like you are why I’ve attempted to repeatedly explain the thought process here over and over again. Just stop. You’ll be okay. I just hope Xenforo will also be okay for the next generation.
 
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People like you are why I’ve had to repeatedly explain the thought process here over and over again.
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Sure, everybody is wrong and stupid, apart from you. Also, no one's opinion counts but your's. Whoever has a different opinion about what might be useful or desirable for XF is simply "not getting it". :rolleyes: Are the constant insults part of the feature set or is it just bad behavior?
Can you imagine that the results of your magical "thought process" might not be the only possible way for a future of XF? Or even that your "thought process" may have ignored everything but your own needs and imaginations/phatasies (including not even asking for the vision of the XF company owners and taking into account the staff situation)? So maybe it is not as brilliant and perfect as you seem to think and you are not the brain superhero above everyone else that you pretend to be...

Is it even possible if people don't want to follow you despite you constantly repeating your "thought process" could be a hint that maybe your thought process is not all that perfect (and not that everone apart from you is wrong and stupid)?
 
You’re right, there’s nothing to be concerned about for the XF company’s sustainability over the next generation.
So basically you are saying: "Either XF will follow exactly what I say and implement exlusively exactly what (and nothing else) I want or XF will die, rather sooner than later. Because I am a billiant mind and the only one who can save XF. Neither other customers nor the owners of XF have the slightest clue what is needed - in opposite: They are all ill-led maniacs that destroy the software out of laziness, stupidity and ignorance. What they want and claim to need is completely irrelevant. I am the only person in the world that comprehends it and the only person in the world whose opinion counts and is not only relevant but without any alternative. No one even comprehends it even that I've explained it countless times. Because they are all idiots, no exception." Doesn't that sound somewhat ridiculous even in your own ears?
 
So basically you are saying: "Either XF will follow exactly what I say and implement exlusively exactly what (and nothing else) I want or XF will die, rather sooner than later. Because I am a billiant mind and the only one who can save XF. Neither other customers nor the owners of XF have the slightest clue what is needed - in opposite: They are all ill-led maniacs that destroy the software out of laziness, stupidity and ignorance. What they want and claim to need is completely irrelevant. I am the only person in the world that comprehends it and the only person in the world whose opinion counts and is not only relevant but without any alternative. No one even comprehends it even that I've explained it countless times. Because they are all idiots, no exception." Doesn't that sound somewhat ridiculous even in your own ears?
He's dropped it, maybe you should too.
 
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