XenForo 2.0 Discussion

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Yeah this issue is the time up front. Maintaining isn't the problem. It's all the man hours that have to go into it first.
Then we agree on that much at least. At this point, it's a business decision that needs to be made by the XF folks on whether or not it's worth the upfront cost. Like it was already mentioned, there are already two superb addons available by developers who don't appear to be going anywhere. But the same thing could have been said for Onimua and his XI Blogs addon.

I agree. I've mentioned before in a few posts that this is a design flaw which really erks me. In the grand scheme, it's a relatively small issue though so all in all I still call it a solid architechure.
Agreed. I wasn't saying that overall it wasn't solid, just that there are a few things that could be improved to make it more flexible.

We all just have to wait and see. :|
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There are a couple different galleries already available, each integrated into XF near perfectly (I only add "near" for staying safe purposes). Why wouldn't you install one of those two?

Because these are paid addons that quickly ramp up the price of XF - yet are included by default in other forum platforms.

Additionally, there's also no guarantee that third-party addons will continue to be supported. This is especially an issue if they are no longer able to function properly with the latest version of XF.

It is good to see third-party development, but makes me uncomfortable when it's driven so much for financial reward than community building. I appreciate that XF is still developing , but I do not have a blank chequebook to buy every feature I'd like.
 
Where is a gallery default in another solution? I thought you paid extra to get it added, like with Burning Board and IPB. Don't those ramp up the price add well?

The guarantee part is not a good argument to me. There's no guarantee XF will be up forever either.
 
VB costs $109 more than XenForo. Better Blogs is free, so you're still saving $109. XenMediaGallery costs less than $109. So....
 
VB costs $109 more than XenForo. Better Blogs is free, so you're still saving $109. XenMediaGallery costs less than $109. So....

Better Blogs is only free in the limited version - which does not allow for that many posts. If the feature is used a paid upgrade is a necessity.

That's not intended to invalidate the work done on Better Blogs - blogs were a paid-for extra feature on VB3.

I'm simply making the point that feature costs can really ramp up. That's why it's good to see XF continue to add features to its development, and why it will be good to see more features included as standard.
 
Look at the quality difference between VBullentin which offers more features, and XenForo which focuses on quality features over quantity of features. I'd rather them make 10 good features than have them make 100 buggy features.
 
yet are included by default in other forum platforms
Which other forum platforms include these by default? vBulletin and IPB don't, they are add-ons in both cases. You'll also find that they are more expensive too.

XenForo = $140
XenForo + Xen Media Gallery = $205

VBulletin = $249
vBulletin - no official gallery solution

IP.Board = $175
IP.Board + IP.Gallery = $240

Other forum software solutions have gallery solutions but they are all at an additional cost.

So if XenForo ever does make a gallery of its own, you won't be getting it for free.
 
Means they should stop developing Enhanced Search
I think Enhanced Search is a good example. This is some kind of an interface to a 3rd party software (elasticsearch). This is the way to go IMHO. There are a lot of established standards (single sign-on, soap data exchange, REST, yaml, json etc.) and mature products out there and there`s just no need to reinvent the wheel. I`d rather see them add more well documented interfaces using established technlogies so that you can connect/embed XenForo with a good CMS, Blog etc.. To code a CMS equally powerful as Drupal, TYPO3 (Neos) or something alike takes a lot of time, money, resources. I`d prefer to connect my favourite forum software with the best blogging-system available in a perfect way instead of using yet another blog add-on.

Maybe do it like Tapatalk. They code add-ons for forums. XF could code add-ons for CMSs.
 
Since they deleted my suggestion thread for duplicate suggestion (despite the feature not being implemented, denied, or having a discussion thread anywhere in the suggestions forum) I'll post it here instead.

A native reputation system is one functionality that XF to date is sorely missing.

In order to show why I'd like this functionality built-in, I'll give you a real example from one of the forums I administer.

1. In order to promote activity in certain sections:

We have a Reviews and Library section as well as a section where items can be given away. These sections are moderated and have a very high standard for posting, and require sometimes 1hour+ worth of work in order to be approved. Back when we were running Vbulletin, these sections were swarming with activity. Why? Because we offered a reputation point from staff for every approved thread. Since 2011 when we moved to XF, one of these sections has had a total of 4 new threads. This is a section which as a total of 953 threads. Without an incentive to post in the form of Rep, we've essentially killed these sections.

2. In order to promote excellent posts:

This is somewhat the same as the above mentioned point, except that it promotes above-and-beyond posting throughout the entire board. Especially in our case, the News and Politics section. People would go to extreme lengths to make amazing posts on current events, politics, etc., because they knew they're much more likely to garner rep points for such posts. The likes or the Advanced Ratings add-on works fine to promote activity, but not to promote a high standard of activity like the reputation system.

3. In order to provide a method of oversight:

Unlike the likes or advanced ratings add-on, reputation can be monitored, can restrict users from repping their friends too much, and can require stated reasons for why the rep was given which are publicly listed on user profiles. This provides a level of oversight in order to keep reputation fair.

4. In order to provide a longevity to the system:

Without a native rep system, there is no way to provide longevity to the system. We have experimented with substituting the functionality with add-ons, but have found they are regularly unavailable for new versions of XF, they lack functionality and fixes, developers discontinue support over time, and current reputations are unable to be imported from one system to the next. This is a glaring problem with boards such as ours when reputation is earned with such hard work, only to wiped away with one update. It essentially locks us to old versions of XF.

Conclusion:

XF is not vB and I recognize the need to differentiate XF from other forum software systems, however, for us (and I'm sure for others), the lack of a native reputation system is a glaring lack of functionality that leaves us in a tough situation. On the one hand I love the XF system, but if the next generation of XF means utilizing a system that lacks a functionality that we quite desperately need, we'll have to move to another platform, something we really don't want to have to do.

I recognize that some of these problems can be overcome with other solutions, however, none as simple and as effectively as with a proper reputation system.

Finally, I would respectfully request that if you don't want a reputation system for your board to keep that to yourself. If the developers include a rep system, you're not forced to use it. I'm not asking to remove the likes or any other functionality, just to include some options for people like us that desperately need it.
 
@dehness

The rep system has been suggested. That is why yours was marked as duplicate. XF chose the like system over rep. If you'd like to use reputation instead, there is a mod out for it.
 
It sounds stupid but, what about adding an example of the use of each expressions for translations? I mean with a rewrite of Xenforo, it's possible that there will be a lot's of change in them and it would be easier to see in which case they are used (a test sentence for example).
 
@dehness

The rep system has been suggested. That is why yours was marked as duplicate. XF chose the like system over rep. If you'd like to use reputation instead, there is a mod out for it.
As if to prove my point about providing continuity and longevity -- I update my forum to 1.4.1 and I begin getting a "The field 'moderate_messages' was not recognised." error when trying to create a new node. Upon isolation of add-on's to find the conflict and it's the very add-on you're referring to. Great.
 
Would customising the trophy system not result in something similar?
That's what we use currently, and is how we anticipated managing the lack of a rep system during the migration from vB to XF, however this has proven to be ineffective. And in addition, fails to solve the rest of the issues we're facing.
 
Would customising the trophy system not result in something similar?
They would. I do that.

10 points if your thread get promoted.
20 if you won some event.
50 if you come to some gathering

And all those point can be exchange for something. Like 50 for extra large avatar. 30 for 1 month custom title, 100 for free 1 month donator tag, 150 for a lifetime medal, etc.
 
Sigh. I really don't understand why you people are so anti-features. I'll repeat you don't have to use the feature. Why would you possibly advocate for LESS functionality? Trophy's don't come close to incentivizing the kind of activity we're looking for, and if we have this problem, then other forums do. Why is distancing XF from vB a good thing when it means the willful removal of an excellent core function?
 
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