Stumbled on a person in a forum who is selling 3 XF licences: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1125808 Seems to be going to IPB Is the honeymoon over? For me, vb broke, and continually kept breaking, all the great vb mods that I depend on. The quality of mods with XF (many but NOT all) are not up to the quality of the vb v3.8 mods when looking for a Gallery, Portal, Video Library, Calendar (vBa CMPS Portal, Dynamics, vbTubePro etc). I mentioned this nearly 12 months ago and was wondering (but not wanting to start a war) if you think things have changed in the last year or so? we see some great mods from the likes of Jake etc but we are seeing some awful and buggy BIG mods with nothing great in the wind like the Gallery, Portal, Video, Calendar that I can see, could be wrong though. What ever happened about that great Gallery from the great mod developer KK that was coming? There isn't much, in my opinion that XF offers that can't be done in vb although XF has better SEO (could that be replicated in vb?) and vb is very bloated...heck, vb can't even promote their CMS product properly on their own site when viewing it in 1024 x 768 resolution (left column...YUCK). So in not creating a nasty debate but rather a general conversation of thoughts...what is a snapshot of the forum industry like at the moment...simply as "feedback"?