Negative responses on suggestion threads

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If this does not fall under this part of the rules then its indeed pointless to report:
passive-aggressive behavior is unacceptable
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The thread would still clarify a lot for the current discussion and has become relevant IMO.
 
3rd AnGle said:
Sir, as an example, saying
  • don't waste time on this, better things to do
  • more bugs to be introduced
with regards to someone else's suggestion on a company forum is not an opinion. It is a judgement, unsolicited one at that, that destroys the positive spirit of Xenforo as a brand. Let's not forget this is a business/tech product forum and the developers know best whether something will bloat, introduce bugs, waste their time or not.

The first line of communication is between the company (also addon devs) and the customer. Other customers, if they have any constructive values to add by all means do it but if the come between me and the company to say "your input is not worth it" it kills the spirit.

Let the company decide whether it is worth or not, that's all i am saying. I hope @Kier @Ashley @Mike @Chris D come out and show their business acumen. There is evidence that people are not encouraged to take part in product ideation.
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Any comment like that is usually prefaced with "In my opinion", although I'm not sure why that's even needed, but whatever. I guess I don't take such comments as personal attacks.

But yes, I agree, let the company decide, and whatever they decide, let that be the end of it.

Maybe somebody can start an "unofficial XenForo suggestions with only positive feedback" site, and come up with some great ideas?
 
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Alfa1 said:
If this does not fall under this part of the rules then its indeed pointless to report:

The thread would still clarify a lot for the current discussion and has become relevant IMO.
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I have read that thread twice today, and several times before it was deleted, and I see nothing in there which is passive aggressive.

I'm not sure the thread went the way you think it did. A couple of people had perfectly valid questions and opinions against the suggestion; they seemed to think that it either wouldn't work well, needed clarification, or could be partially achieved with default functionality. You then requested its deletion.
 
I requested deletion because to me it seemed obvious that further clarification would only return ridicule, sarcasm and passive aggressive comments. I am hardly alone in this observation of this particular thread.
I respect that the xf staff finds no rules have been breached.
The thread would still be relevant now to illustrate the title of the current thread. But in case you feel its best left deleted, then thats fine.
 
Alfa1 said:
The thread would still be relevant now to illustrate the title of the current thread. But in case you feel its best left deleted, then thats fine.
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I don't think that's what he said. You asked that it be undeleted so you could report the posts you felt were relevant to being reported. He said he didn't see any that would violate the rules.
He didn't say it would be better left deleted - only that undeleting it just so you could report posts would result in no violations that he could observe.
Or at least that was MY understanding (everyone understands stuff differently frequently though):coffee:
 
The posts are not relevant to be reported, because they obviously are within the rules. I am saying they are relevant to this discussion and am therefore requesting it to be undeleted. But if staff deems its best to leave undeleted for other reasons, then I will stop bringing it up.
 
SneakyDave said:
In my opinion, if you go so far as to ask to have your suggestion removed, maybe it wasn't a very good suggestion in the first place, or you hadn't thought it through enough.
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And once again you are being dismissive of someone's ideas. If the person feels they are being attacked or disrespect or dismissed , the idea can be great but if it is not popular with a subset of people and they find negativity from it, they may not want to deal with it, they ask for it to be removed/hidden. That's kind of common sense in my opinion and has nothing to do with the quality of their suggestion.

Mike Edge said:
Reality is the more functions you add, the more bloat your going to build.
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You can bloat the software regardless. Add-ons and extensions or core features. I for one wouldn't mind seeing more core features for various things instead of being told 'there's an add-on' for that or it should be an add-on. Especially if it is something that may be a standard in forum software. Not only is it one more product to make sure is adequately updated but also potentially more cost if it needs to be paid.

We personally don't know the level of popularity someone's idea has and as I said before, that is really none of anyone's place here to say other than the people in charge of a product. Labeling someone's ideas as niche or only relevant to a small group of people is part of the reason people don't feel good about making suggestions.

SneakyDave said:
Any comment like that is usually prefaced with "In my opinion",
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I agree it is unnecessary to say. But also, "In my opinion" is the equivalent of someone saying "I am not trying to be offensive/rude but...."

It becomes a defense for many people to say and do whatever they wish because it is their opinion aka their truth and thus they are free to say it and if it is offensive, no problem. It's their opinion so you can't dispute it....It's also expected you wouldn't take the comments as potential personal attacks as they weren't directed to you and possibly you agree.

"Don't waste time, better things to do" can easily translate "You have better things to do (based on what I deem better) than dealing with something that is a waste of time (Based on my criteria) which translates into people feeling their ideas are not being supported.
 
Well, considering that the OP in that thread has a very ... shall we say.... Micah... flavor to it.. on most aspects I have to take it with a very large grain of salt. I know that I haven't reduced my input/help here - other than the fact that I've developed a few new hobbies that are taking up time for me to be outdoors enjoying them.
and as for a comparo to IPS, I have lengthy (and more in-depth) first hand experience with both - well more than he has in comparison.
As for his backhanded slap at the ******* incident - it's not like they haven't had similar over on IPS (he probably hasn't found it or noticed it). I further found that to replicate some of the base features on XF, I had to find add-ons over there - and for some there were none.

One thing I have found.. is some people cannot handle seeing an alternate opinion. The suggestion thread is not only for PRO comments, but for negative also. Otherwise, how can you accurately get a feel for the "need" for it when you only have one side being presented.
Could some present their negative choices in a better manner - yes. But even if they don't one should be able to accept that and continue onward.
 
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whynot said:
Micah or not, he/she's done a good review.
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But not entirely correct. Some aspects I agree with, but overall, it's no doubt that it's written by an admin that requires a more simplistic system.
Their "feature set" that they refer to (if it is Micah and company) are stuff like chat (which is an OPTION that you pay additional for in IPS - only benefit is it's 1st party), a very weak blog system and an extremely limited gallery. Pages was OK, but it still had a lot of "rough edges" that needed to be worked out.
Their promotions can be based upon # of days membership or the # of content posted (not just posts, but CONTENT, which can include images in the gallery, etc) unless you want to buy a $35 add-on, and then the different "default promotion packages" at around $15 each for ones like Pages, Forums, Calendar. They are VERY dependent on 3rd party add-ons for numerous features that we on XenForo take for granted (and that Micah & company never even began to use so had no real knowledge of them).
The though of having to (if you wish to embed a youtube media) start a new line, paste the link, enter a new line, wait for the media to show up then save... uh-huh, that's WAY better than what you get with XF (and that's just one "feature" that was "as planned", don't even get me started on their quote system).

They have their own "developer issues".... like the ones that are charging a version upgrade for going from 4.0 to 4.1 - or the ones that are promising that their add-on is 4.x compatible, and what they really mean is it's 4.0 compatible.

I found features sorely lacking in IPS. And the fact that a simple upgrade (a point upgrade at that) kills your style... we are talking a 4.1.3 -> 4.1.4 upgrade.
The point being - not every package fits every site/admin.
I can give the same arguments to almost every 'point' that he made, just replacing IPS with XenForo.
 
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whynot said:
OK, only most.
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I wouldn't even say that much.
The thread that #1 points to is a post by the OP not understanding why anyone would basically disagree in a suggestion thread... duh... it's not a RAH-RAH thread only for agreement (as I stated above). Alternative views are (and should) be allowed - or do you propose that only positives (or in agreements) should be allowed?

#2 is not factual in that if you do a 1st party -> 1st party, the feature sets of XenForo (and the gallery and the RM) FAR outweigh the feature sets of IPS equivalents. I don't know about WBB as I haven't purchased a copy of it yet to fully evaluate.

#3 I can respond by asking WHY can't an admin prohibit the use of media embeds in signatures in IPS. You either have to totally disallow signatures, or allow media embeds (youtube, soundcloud, etc).

#4 If you look at the same offerings from both, then IPS can't hold a candle to XF. If you are walking into XenForo expecting a full suite, then it's YOUR fault that you didn't use due diligence to investigate if it would meet your requirements. I have as much sympathy for those as I do for someone who goes and buys a 1/2 ton truck with a V-6 and then expects to pull a triple axle trailer with a D10 on it and do it well.

#5 I get very frustrated every time I have to go into the back end of IPS as I want to do something - but due to the lack of the feature set in their admin controls I can't.

#6 User groups - now, where do we start. Is the UI not the friendliest - I'll agree. But as for the feature set, it's very powerful - in fact the most often "cry" I hear is that there are "too many options". Guess what, to be powerful and granular, that's the way it's going to be. Fact is, some folks will never be able to grasp the the different abilities that it offers.
 
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