Implement AMP Project framework
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Ozzy47
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Me either on my site, nor would I want to see it on sites I visit. The responsive style is just fine.
Martok
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My thoughts exactly. When I visit a site on my mobile I want the full experience albeit adjusted through responsive design, I do not want a stripped down version. I too would switch this off on my site if XenForo 2.0 included it.
thumped
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Technical challenges aside, there's some very short-sighted commentary here. Aside from AMP (theoretically) providing a better user experience for people on bandwidth-limited mobile networks, or on feature phones rather than smart phones, here's one reason you might want to have it enabled:
I have it enabled on the Wordpress portion of my site. Without any customisation at all (something i really need to do) it's this -> https://thumped.com/features/interviews/le-galaxie-we-get-that-a-lot-actually/ versus this -> https://thumped.com/features/interviews/le-galaxie-we-get-that-a-lot-actually/amp/.
I have it enabled on the Wordpress portion of my site. Without any customisation at all (something i really need to do) it's this -> https://thumped.com/features/interviews/le-galaxie-we-get-that-a-lot-actually/ versus this -> https://thumped.com/features/interviews/le-galaxie-we-get-that-a-lot-actually/amp/.
maxicep
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I hope xenforo support it in future. (And i think It must support if Xenforo wants to lead the field )
We must follow the newest web standards of course and i though google will show first the AMP results on mobile search in next. Why it isn't show ? Faster, cleaner, low bandwidth for mobiles.
I see that some big vbulletin forums did AMP support completely. I don't know how they did but i think custom development. They works and looking perfect ...
We must follow the newest web standards of course and i though google will show first the AMP results on mobile search in next. Why it isn't show ? Faster, cleaner, low bandwidth for mobiles.
I see that some big vbulletin forums did AMP support completely. I don't know how they did but i think custom development. They works and looking perfect ...
eva2000
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maybe they could re-use the vB print page format to implement AMP HTML?
Chromaniac
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XenForo does not have a print template right? Maybe they can deliver on two features with AMP delivery. I assumed XF would at least have a print.css but trying to print this thread does not showcase a very print friendly layout.
Fred.
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Can you give an example link to one of these forums? I just want to have a look at it how it's done.
I have experienced the speed of AMP pages myself on slow connections. It's amazing! The articles load instantly!
maxicep
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For example about vBulletin to AMP implementation
Original vBulletin Page
https://goo.gl/VgHUIx
Amp version of vBulletin Page
https://goo.gl/euQqgs
@eva2000 , @Fred.
Original vBulletin Page
https://goo.gl/VgHUIx
Amp version of vBulletin Page
https://goo.gl/euQqgs
@eva2000 , @Fred.
Fred.
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It looks similar to the print page so @eva2000 might be right. That was probably the easiest way to start.
Thanks for the links @maxicep
I ran it trough gtmetrix
Original vB page 7.7 sec / 2.29 MB / 177 requests
https://gtmetrix.com/reports/www.msxlabs.org/EKEgjahH
Amp version 1.6 sec / 2o6 KB / 1o requests
https://gtmetrix.com/reports/www.msxlabs.org/sTE5KlUT
It didn't load as fast as I expected but stil amazing compared with the original page.
My normal pages load in 1.2 seconds.
Thanks for the links @maxicep
I ran it trough gtmetrix
Original vB page 7.7 sec / 2.29 MB / 177 requests
https://gtmetrix.com/reports/www.msxlabs.org/EKEgjahH
Amp version 1.6 sec / 2o6 KB / 1o requests
https://gtmetrix.com/reports/www.msxlabs.org/sTE5KlUT
It didn't load as fast as I expected but stil amazing compared with the original page.
My normal pages load in 1.2 seconds.
TheLaw
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The AMP project isn't about accelerating every single light text page that already loads quickly because you believe that your forum threads are ever going to appear in an AMP carousel. My guess is that it almost certainly will not happen, at least for the foreseeable future. While the public AMP pages may be unclear, hints of where it is going can be read at the Webmaster Central Blog from time to time. It is a limited rollout which includes certain geographic regions, niches and sites.
Let's think about this for a second. Why would you accelerate your average forum page that contains short text - which the overwhelming majority do? It's not about all the ads that weigh down the content. It's much about the heavy nature of the content itself being delivered and which AMP tries to provide a version that loads more quickly. So... is Wikipedia coming out with an AMP version of their text based site any time soon? My guess is probably not and the question being - why?
That said, I might develop an AMP add-on specifically for pages or areas that are news only because of my own work with AMP and some news-based sections that I have on some of my sites. This is NOT and will not an addon that creates an AMP version of an XF forum. It is a limited use application.
Let's think about this for a second. Why would you accelerate your average forum page that contains short text - which the overwhelming majority do? It's not about all the ads that weigh down the content. It's much about the heavy nature of the content itself being delivered and which AMP tries to provide a version that loads more quickly. So... is Wikipedia coming out with an AMP version of their text based site any time soon? My guess is probably not and the question being - why?
That said, I might develop an AMP add-on specifically for pages or areas that are news only because of my own work with AMP and some news-based sections that I have on some of my sites. This is NOT and will not an addon that creates an AMP version of an XF forum. It is a limited use application.
TheLaw
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Google is doing everything it can to ensure that sites load reasonably quickly. Ranking signals for pure speed of whether a site that loads in 2.43 seconds versus 2.48 seconds will be of negligible if any effect at all. Why is this? Because Google's #1 concern is about providing excellent quality search results from sites that provide a reasonably good viewing experience to complement the content that answers a query best of all. It is not about a speed contest.
ibrian
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It's worth asking whose interests are really being served by AMP. Instant page loading will help Google's users - but will not serve webmasters looking to engage users on their own websites, or serve ads.
This smells too much like the Google Accelerator they tried to implement about 10 years ago, which was essentially Google caching websites to the detriment of webmasters - and, ultimately, web users:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Web_Accelerator
OR Google hostedf News, which again was a way to separate content from creators for the benefit of Google's users, but no one else.
This smells too much like the Google Accelerator they tried to implement about 10 years ago, which was essentially Google caching websites to the detriment of webmasters - and, ultimately, web users:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Web_Accelerator
OR Google hostedf News, which again was a way to separate content from creators for the benefit of Google's users, but no one else.
@ibrian You can serve ads and engage users, see for example https://amp.theguardian.com/environ...ds-seven-new-species-of-fairly-cute-creatures
tonmo
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I have a ton of articles set up as pages. These would seem to be good candidates for AMP. I suppose I could create hidden (unlisted) doppelgangers of each of my articles and leverage the AMP snippets accordingly... i.e., do it manually. Maybe go through the trouble of this for the top 10 or so trafficked entrance pages which are articles.
