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I think all this speculation is pretty worthless myself.

The case has not been heard, and even in the awful event of the Judge getting it so wrong and directing the jury to find for IB, it would be overturned in a flash, he has an unbelievably high overturn rate at appeal.

Don't lose heart, and don't play into IB's hands with all this negative stuff.

To Kier and the Xenforo team, you know you have my support regardless, and as always I wish you all the very best.
 
AnthonyCea said:
Think about this Deebs, if IB wins copyright they get the domain too, so doomed is sure in that case.
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Sorry but just because a domain is seized by someone else does NOT mean doom, google is our friend in this matter, you can type any keyword into google and NOT be redirected to the official site for a given product.
 
I asked this question yesterday, but now it's been more than 48 hours since the initial hearing on Monday. Why is there nothing on EM/ECF-PACER?
 
Shamil said:
I asked this question yesterday, but now it's been more than 48 hours since the initial hearing on Monday. Why is there nothing on EM/ECF-PACER?
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See my earlier answer on this (I think page 39 +/-). The judge has to draft the order...could be that it is taking him (or his clerk) a long time. Or there may be limitations on immediate public release. Hard to say.
 
jadmperry said:
See my earlier answer on this (I think page 39 +/-). The judge has to draft the order...could be that it is taking him (or his clerk) a long time. Or there may be limitations on immediate public release. Hard to say.
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Unlikely to be the second one, but he is usually rather quick - the case is really unusual :/
 
Ati said:
YOU are not blocked. Your COUNTRY is blocked. If YOU were blocked, you would not be able to use your swiss visa card either.

On the other hand, I'm not talking about using the card, but accepting payments from other people's cards.

Can a US court order prohibit a UK company (such as Moneybookers) from accepting payments on someone's behalf? (xenForo's in this case.) Sure they can willingly choose not to have xenForo as their client, but can they be ordered to do so by a US court order?

If not, then how does anyone in the world (other than Moneybookers) know who I send my $140 to? All that's shown on my card-statement is that I sent money to Moneybookers. Whether it was for xenForo or Julian Assange or my mother, does not appear on the statement. If they have no idea, then I think there is no way they can block that transaction.
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Sigh.... it all has to do with money. Forgive me, but you are thinking way too small of a picture. You're nitpicking on every detail and not looking at the bigger picture.

Let's first establish some facts.
  1. The biggest credit card brands are United States based. They are VISA, MasterCard, Discover and American Express.
  2. The biggest credit card issuers (banks) have US Operations. They include: Bank of America, Wells Fargo, Citi, American Express, Chase, Barclays, HSBC,
  3. The biggest credit card processors are also United States based. They include First Data, Chase Paymentech, PayPal.
A court injunction blocking the sale would effectively hit xenforo in multiple ways:

From the perspective of a Credit Card Company or Issuing Bank to xenforo:
  1. Where it may show up as xenforo Ltd on the credit card statements, the reality is that credit card companies (VISA, MC, etc) may opt to not release funds or even allow a transaction through. They simply look at a merchant number.
  2. Again, the issuing bank maintains control over the credit card. They also have the right to deny a transaction. Again, the merchant number gives it away.
From the perspective of an intermediate sale like paypal:
  1. Yes it's true on our credit cards it shows up as PayPal, but if we look on our PayPal Statements, it says xenForo. PayPal, a subsidary of eBay is a US company. A court order would effectively do a few things, including, freezing and even possibly, closing the existing xenforo paypal account, withholding the release of funds to xenforo, and so forth. Even if it was a bank account and we sent money electronically, PayPal has a right to withhold it based on a court order.
  2. Using a Foreign processor like moneybookers: While on our statements it will show moneybookers, US generally have to report where the money is going. It's required by the IRS. Any money that simply vanishes is not good and no company that has to do SOX compliance would ever allow that to happen. Even if we were to use a credit card, sooner or later VISA, Mastercard, American Express and Discover will realize they are funneling money against a court order to xenForo. A simple running of several dummy accounts would help them figure out where the money trail is and they would require those processors like Moneybookers to cease transactions with xenForo.
 
ManagerJosh said:
Sigh.... it all has to do with money. Forgive me, but you are thinking way too small of a picture. You're nitpicking on every detail and not looking at the bigger picture.

Let's first establish some facts.
  1. The biggest credit card brands are United States based. They are VISA, MasterCard, Discover and American Express.
  2. The biggest credit card issuers (banks) have US Operations. They include: Bank of America, Wells Fargo, Citi, American Express, Chase, Barclays, HSBC,
  3. The biggest credit card processors are also United States based. They include First Data, Chase Paymentech, PayPal.
A court injunction blocking the sale would effectively hit xenforo in multiple ways:

From the perspective of a Credit Card Company or Issuing Bank to xenforo:
  1. Where it may show up as xenforo Ltd on the credit card statements, the reality is that credit card companies (VISA, MC, etc) may opt to not release funds or even allow a transaction through. They simply look at a merchant number.
  2. Again, the issuing bank maintains control over the credit card. They also have the right to deny a transaction. Again, the merchant number gives it away.
From the perspective of an intermediate sale like paypal:
  1. Yes it's true on our credit cards it shows up as PayPal, but if we look on our PayPal Statements, it says xenForo. PayPal, a subsidary of eBay is a US company. A court order would effectively do a few things, including, freezing and even possibly, closing the existing xenforo paypal account, withholding the release of funds to xenforo, and so forth. Even if it was a bank account and we sent money electronically, PayPal has a right to withhold it based on a court order.
  2. Using a Foreign processor like moneybookers: While on our statements it will show moneybookers, US generally have to report where the money is going. It's required by the IRS. Any money that simply vanishes is not good and no company that has to do SOX compliance would ever allow that to happen. Even if we were to use a credit card, sooner or later VISA, Mastercard, American Express and Discover will realize they are funneling money against a court order to xenForo. A simple running of several dummy accounts would help them figure out where the money trail is and they would require those processors like Moneybookers to cease transactions with xenForo.
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Actually no, the European versions of what you describe operate independately of what you describe. They operate within the EU laws and not the US laws.
 
AnthonyCea said:
Brisco wants XF awarded to him !!!
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Even I knew that was the case. Brisco wanted XF since the day the lawsuits took place.

They only have two different products in the licenses area of iB's website. xenForo would be a "wonderful" addition to the iB family.

But, I think that Brisco should've not only: Paid double the salary to Mr. Darby, AND put him in full control of vBulletin development. The back and forth's between Darby and managers at iB meant that he had to answer to someone "above him." Darby made it PERFECTLY clear that he wanted to re-write the vbulletin code. vB4 was the PERFECT time to do it. No, the dolts at iB rejected it, because they thought it was going to be quicker - its reverse. It backfired on them. So now they're paying millions in losses for vB4 development because of one manager's mistake. One. Uno.

Darby proved to iB that he can speed up development and streamline development of vBulletin. iB does not want to admit this. All that they want to admit is that Darby is a really good developer. Not only that, Darby proved that he is smarter than any of the management combined. And that, my friends is far embarrassing than the losses that vBulletin is making.

iB found a competition in Darby, which is something they should not have done in the first place. Darby may say that his software was not intended to be in competition to vBulletin, but the reality is; It is. Same industry, different approach.
 
Carlos said:
Even I knew that was the case. Brisco wanted XF since the day the lawsuits took place.

They only have two different products in the licenses area of iB's website. xenForo would be a "wonderful" addition to the iB family.
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Deebs said:
Actually no, the European versions of what you describe operate independately of what you describe. They operate within the EU laws and not the US laws.
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Yep... went that way long ago... and the funny part is that most of what is referenced within the US, is owned / funded by Arab Emirates, not the US. China also have a good stake in Citi and a few others if memory serves correctly.
 

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