California Case Update

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Mert said:
Honestly , I never knew they were like this before i accepted the offer John. What my hope was improving vBulletin with the knowledge i have but i was never allowed to do so. Anyway i am glad i am not working for them for a long time like this and as i posted before i am ashamed that my name was affiliated with them.
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Sorry to see you got sucked into this whole quagmire of a lawsuit, Mert.

If I were you, I'd switch the vBSEO forums to XF ;)
 
It seems VBSI need to employ better lawyers.

Document 62-2, "Second amended complaint", page 13:
28. On April 14, 2009, Sullivan provided thirty days advance written notice
that he was resigning from Jelsoft with his final day of employment being May 11,
2009. A few weeks later, on May 8, 2009, Darby provided thirty days advance
written notice that he was resigning from Jelsoft with his final day of employment
being June 8, 2009. Darby's actual last day of employment with Jelsoft was June
19, 2009. [Add Busby’s departure data]
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:rolleyes:

This is what VBSI apparently want:

PRAYER FOR RELIEF
By reason of the acts and circumstances alleged above, VBSI seeks relief
from this Court as follows:
1. For a declaration that Defendants have no valid or protectable interests
or rights in Xenforo and works conceived, created or reduced to practice by Darby,
Sullivan or others during the term of their employment by Jelsoft, as well as in all
derivatives prepared therefrom, and that VBSI is the true owner of the foregoing;
2. For an Order enjoining and restraining Defendants, their agents,
servants and Employees, and all persons in active concert or participation with them,
for further wrongful conduct, including without limitation, from copying,
distributing, importing, displaying, preparing derivatives from and otherwise
infringing VBSI's copyright-protected words;
3. For an Order, pursuant to 17 U.S.C. §503(a) and other applicable law,
impounding all of Defendants' products and materials that infringe VBSI's
copyrights, as well as all other articles by which copies of the works embodied in
VBSI's copyrights may be reproduced or otherwise infringed;
4. For an Order mandating that Defendants return to VBSI all tangible
items, documents, designs, source code or other memorialization of inventions
created or reduced to practice during Darby's or Sullivan’s employment with VBSI;
5. For an Order mandating specific performance by Darby and Sullivan to
comply with and satisfy Darby's and Sullivan’s contractual obligations to VBSI;
6. That VBSI be awarded, and Defendants be ordered to disgorge, all
payments, revenues, profits, monies and royalties and any other benefits derived or
obtained as a result of the conduct alleged herein, including without limitation of all
revenues and profits attributable to Defendants' infringement of VBSI's copyrights
under 17 U.S.C. §504;
7. For an accounting of all profits, monies and/or royalties from the
exercise of ownership, use, distribution, sales and licensing of Xenforo;
8. For the imposition of a constructive trust over Defendants, including
without limitation registrations and applications for registrations relating thereto
made or filed by Defendants or third parties on their behalf, and all profits, monies,
royalties and any other benefits derived or obtained from Defendant's exercise of
ownership, use, sale, distribution and licensing of Xenforo;
9. That VBSI recover its actual damages and lost profits, which are
believed to be well in excess of $12,000,000;
10. That Defendants be ordered to pay exemplary damages in a sum
sufficient to punish and to make an example of them, and deter them and others
from similar wrongdoing;
11. That Defendants be ordered to pay double damages due to their willful
and malicious misappropriation of VBSI's trade secrets with deliberate intent to
injure VBSI's business and improve its own;
12. That Defendants pay to VBSI the full cost of this action and VBSI's
attorneys' and investigators' fees;
13. That Defendants pay treble damages for the RICO violations regarding
wire fraud;
14. For replevin by Defendants of the converted Property; and
15. That VBSI have such other and further relief as the Court may deem
just and proper.
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(end of same document)

As I understand it, VBSI want: ownership of xenforo, $12 million in damages, plus lots more cash.

Others have said that the vB license fee is worth it just to see the drama in the customer-only forums. This would be fine if other human beings didn't have to live through this total farce and vexatious claim.
 
Onimua said:
What is worse than all of this is that Internet Brands still believes without a shadow of a doubt that it's XenForo costing them customers, not their actions.
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They know it's down to their incompetence on many levels, and I'm sure if we had statistics IPB will be taking their share of customers from <insert company name here> which really tells you something & the reasons why <insert company name here> are seeing mass migrations. *double shrug*
 
Shelley said:
They know it's down to their incompetence on many levels, and I'm sure if we had statistics IPB will be taking their share of customers from <insert company name here> which really tells you something & the reasons why <insert company name here> are seeing mass migrations. *double shrug*
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Perhaps. Either way I don't think I've ever seen such a strong sense of denial anywhere else.
 
Shelley said:
They know it's down to their incompetence on many levels, and I'm sure if we had statistics IPB will be taking their share of customers from <insert company name here> which really tells you something & the reasons why <insert company name here> are seeing mass migrations. *double shrug*
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Invision Power Board has been strangely quiet during all this.
 
Not really anything they can offer, and it's probably wiser for them to remain silent. Never know what mud/lawsuit might come their way,
 
The Dark Wizard said:
Invision Power Board has been strangely quiet during all this.
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There is no reason for them not to be. IPB's major competitor is self-imploding their business by alienating their own customers. When a company is doing what vBulletin is currently doing, the best thing for their competitors is to just sit back and quietly wait for the kaboom.
 
Kevin said:
There is no reason for them not to be. IPB's major competitor is self-imploding their business by alienating their own customers. When a company is doing what vBulletin is currently doing, the best thing for their competitors is to just sit back and quietly wait for the kaboom.
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And maybe have another sale or two. :whistle:
 
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We support you, Steve!
 
Kevin said:
There is no reason for them not to be. IPB's major competitor is self-imploding their business by alienating their own customers. When a company is doing what vBulletin is currently doing, the best thing for their competitors is to just sit back and quietly wait for the kaboom.
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True. IPB has gotten a large customer increase but they should worry about xF soon :)! I had IPB and the ACP makes me claw my eyes out. . .My system admins refused to work with it D:
 
Kevin said:
There is no reason for them not to be. IPB's major competitor is self-imploding their business by alienating their own customers. When a company is doing what vBulletin is currently doing, the best thing for their competitors is to just sit back and quietly wait for the kaboom.
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And pick up the pieces of whatever may lay. I hardly ever comment about this, but there requests are so outlandish that I had to read this twice. I actually thought this was a spoof or a joke. The seriousness of this matter is so alarming that it makes me glad I left vBulletin during the initial release of XenForo. Although looking at what's being written in the Licensed Customer forum is pretty hilarious.
 
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