California Case Update

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jasetaro said:
Personally, I'd love to see IB lawyers sanctioned for wasting the court's time... Maybe I'm missing something here, but from everything I've read it seems pretty clear IB has no case and is simply using the legal system to harass, and presumably bleed Xenforo to death.
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I'd remortgage my house and give Xenforo the money if needed to keep them fighting because I know they will win and i'd make my money back.
 
Shamil said:
So far, my favourite is where Judge Real wrote over Plaintiff's Ex Parte application to deny it
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I did look at that and think "surely thats not legal" :D

Im guessing it was closing shop time and he just wanted to get home rather than wait for another printout :D
 
Absolutely disgusting behaviour. The sooner this is over the better for everyone. XF Ltd can progress their superior product at a faster pace as they will not have to worry about legal issues etc, IB can carry on running VBulletin into the ground. The only thing that rattles my cage is the apparent lack of respect that IB has for former employees and contractors. Shame on them.
 
Mert said:
It is a shame on who ever decided to include us into this case. I still can't believe what kind of moral ethic those managers have at IB. They are hurting people who did their job for them. I feel ashamed that i was part of their team then.
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I find the whole thing astonishing, I knew IB sank low with the rubbish they were claiming, but this new set of documents just sets a new, all time low for them.

Why any of this rubbish is even ALLOWED in the first place, is beyond me

Why company A can accuse company B of something, then refuse to provide evidence to back their claims AND are allowed to continue, is, well, unbelievable.

I can't fathom how this approach by IB is even legal, let alone grounds for a court case.

Can the people accused of hacking/stealing/taking large cameras into top secret offices etc, sue? :P

Do they even have any evidence?
 
AdamD said:
I find the whole thing astonishing, I knew IB sank low with the rubbish they were claiming, but this new set of documents just sets a new, all time low for them.

Why any of this rubbish is even ALLOWED in the first place, is beyond me

Why company A can accuse company B of something, then refuse to provide evidence to back their claims AND are allowed to continue, is, well, unbelievable.

I can't fathom how this approach by IB is even legal, let alone grounds for a court case.

Can the people accused of hacking/stealing/taking large cameras into top secret offices etc, sue? :p

Do they even have any evidence?
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See this raises an interesting question, is this the US judicial system and how it operates? Would the UK system allow such behaviour?

Before anyone starts bashing either country or system, that is not my desire. I am no lawyer but would love to understand if either system allows more relaxed "rules" when it comes to this type of case.
 
Deebs said:
See this raises an interesting question, is this the US judicial system and how it operates? Would the UK system allow such behaviour?

Before anyone starts bashing either country or system, that is not my desire. I am no lawyer but would love to understand if either system allows more relaxed "rules" when it comes to this type of case.
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I've always been under the belief that the legal system here in the U.S. is complete crap.
 
jmurrayhead said:
I've always been under the belief that the legal system here in the U.S. is complete crap.
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Is it just that you are allowed more freedom in how you manage and present the case than in the UK? The reason I ask is that the revised case is being presented in the US over the UK....
 
Deebs said:
See this raises an interesting question, is this the US judicial system and how it operates? Would the UK system allow such behaviour?

Before anyone starts bashing either country or system, that is not my desire. I am no lawyer but would love to understand if either system allows more relaxed "rules" when it comes to this type of case.
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In short, no, if the UK case makes it to court, it will be a relatively quick affair. However once the case is sorted in the US it is more than likely the UK case will be dismissed due to double jepardy
 
Slavik said:
In short, no, if the UK case makes it to court, it will be a relatively quick affair. However once the case is sorted in the US it is more than likely the UK case will be dismissed due to double jepardy
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But in this instance neither case (UK or US) has actually made it to court yet, only dates have been set. So could you manipulate the UK legal system like IB seem to be doing in the US?
 
John said:
It is a shame, but hardly a surprise. I know times are tough and people need work but I have often wondered how anyone could work for a company like this...I'm sure those who are still there keep an eye over their shoulders all the time. If they don't, they should be.
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Honestly , I never knew they were like this before i accepted the offer John. What my hope was improving vBulletin with the knowledge i have but i was never allowed to do so. Anyway i am glad i am not working for them for a long time like this and as i posted before i am ashamed that my name was affiliated with them.
 
Deebs said:
But in this instance neither case (UK or US) has actually made it to court yet, only dates have been set. So could you manipulate the UK legal system like IB seem to be doing in the US?
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Not realy, the date in the UK has been set to be heard before jury I believe, so on that date and subsequent days if required VB will basically be told "turn up and show us what you got". There is very little chance they will be able to drag it out like they are trying in the US.

The UK system takes a very dim view on companies or individuals abusing the system for their own needs, im trying to find a link about something that happened last year or possibly the year before where such a company was trying to drag out proceedings and a judge turned around and smashed them with massive fines for doing so. What I recall the fines were to the point that any financial gain they would have won from wining the case would have just been eaten up by the fine and then some.

Shamil may know the case, the lawyer who tried to do it ended up being charged with a criminal offence for doing it also and had his licence revoked. He claimed he was acting on the best interest of his client, but the courts disagreed.
 
Mert said:
Honestly , I never knew they were like this before i accepted the offer John. What my hope was improving vBulletin with the knowledge i have but i was never allowed to do so. Anyway i am glad i am not working for them for a long time like this and as i posted before i am ashamed that my name was affiliated with them.
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Oh, I'm sure that is true with you Mert. I wasn't trying to imply anything towards any particular individuals. I feel for you my friend, I hope this doesn't cause you any undue grief in the long run...and I wouldn't feel at all ashamed if I were you, you didn't do anything to sully your reputation and all of us in the forum world know that. ;)
 
John said:
Oh, I'm sure that is true with you Mert. I wasn't trying to imply anything towards any particular individuals. I feel for you my friend, I hope this doesn't cause you any undue grief in the long run...and I wouldn't feel at all ashamed if I were you, you didn't do anything to sully your reputation and all of us in the forum world know that. ;)
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If we throw holy xenforo water on him, will he melt?
 
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