What are your thoughts and which is better in your opinion?
If you post a demo with the default style I'll be more than happy to provide you with detailed design feedback. My best response to you is that you created a lot of those styles yourself right? Looking at the screenshots I can see that. My recommendation is to reuse what XenForo has already created so it creates a more integrated experience with the default look of XenForo and allows theme creators to not worry about styling your third-party addon.If someone could give me some specifics about the style I would love to hear it. The problem with saying that it is "ugly" is that it does not gives me enough information to improve. I keep updating the style in such a way that it looks better - to me.
The main goal with the blog look and feel is that it should look like a blog, and not like the forum. That's why the comments do not look like profile posts and the entries do not look like forum discussion. But that is by design, people should look at a page and immediately know they are looking at a blog.
Anyway, specific feedback is welcome.
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I have temporarily put the default XenForo style on the demo site - http://xfaddons.com/blog-home/If you post a demo with the default style I'll be more than happy to provide you with detailed design feedback.
That might have been true in the first version of the product, but it is not anymore. All the colors and backgrounds are references to existing CSS classes, the avatar is the same reused element, breadcrumb, sidebar is the same default elements.I mean if you look at this screenshot it doesn't look appealing to me as a designer. I wouldn't want to buy this product. It doesn't use any of the default styling from XenForo. Most of the addon developers you see will use basic XenForo style elements and create more advanced style as they are required. Once again, that's my opinion and I mean no offense.
Maybe he should hire you for the design optimization. ;-)In all honesty if design is not your strength, think about hiring someone good with HTML, CSS and able to properly analyze the templates used with XenForo. I suck at PHP coding, don't know a lick of it. I just have strong marketing skills and I can design. That's my contribution to our products at LP. Andrew is the coding mastermind and if I left things to him, everything would look like a stick figure world and neon colors .
If I had the free time I would. Have my handful with LP, a full-time job and two community forums I run.Maybe he should hire you for the design optimization. ;-)
Are you available for that? I even would pay you to design our Better Blogs area (with which we haven't gone public until now).
Thanks a lot for your comments, I can tell that you took a lot of time into writing this post and I really appreciate it. I will make sure to apply your feedback to the product, it will for sure make it a better solution. The devil is in the little details and I appreciate that you mention these small things that I have looked over. For someone that is not even using the product at the moment I seriously appreciate it.Sidebar:
- Looks much better than it does in your screenshots, has it been updated? Make sure you use newer screenshots.
- The custom styles on this page are not that great. The circle with the dates doesn't look good. I know what you're trying to do, but I would follow more of the XenPorta model if you want to have a section where a large month and day are shown next to the post in a "blog" format.
- Continue reading doesn't stand out. Try using the calltoAction class to have it become a button that stands out.
- Tags are cool, but they are aligned weird. There is an odd gap under the profile pic section.
- For the title of the post you could use the category strip style and simply make the font-size bigger with a style property class of its own. Would look better IMO.
- "Recent Entries" didn't stand out for me. I assumed they were the latest blog posts, so that text may be redundant.
- Same feedback with the title, use the category strip style.
- The date seems a little funky. The gray on the blue doesn't look right.
- View number is misaligned, these are nit picky but polish is key.
- I don't mind the comments section, but why not just use the quote style if you were going to go with that color. Also the arrow looks funny because it doesn't have the border like the rest of the div.
- Also, make the comments section the same width as the content.
- Combine the "you need to login to comment" and the actual button into the same div. Having them use the same style but separate looks very weird to me.
*Note: I may have found a visual bug. While looking at this profile: http://xfaddons.com/members/ronniestar.15865/ you will see the gap the same size as the sub navigation div. It looks like something funky is happening with your sub nav and profile page.
- Keep it consistent with the styling of other tabs. Your "Blog Entries" tab content should look THE SAME as the "Postings" tab content. Consistency is key here.
In all honesty if design is not your strength, think about hiring someone good with HTML, CSS and able to properly analyze the templates used with XenForo. I suck at PHP coding, don't know a lick of it. I just have strong marketing skills and I can design. That's my contribution to our products at LP. Andrew is the coding mastermind and if I left things to him, everything would look like a stick figure world and neon colors .
Hope this helps!
I am not a fan of the unintentional effects. I could argue that if it is was not done this way then you change the heading classes, and then you break the blog.@Rigel Kentaurus
I think honestly the best thing would be to follow the standard XF approach, looking at your CSS it's literally all custom classes you've created which makes supporting it coming from a styler point of view difficult.
Don't get me wrong... it's definitely do-able but it would be nice if it followed like... your traditional subHeading classes, so when I make a change on a style, it'll carry over to your blog.
Except that's not the case from what I can see.
Bob still uses default classes though such as sectionMain and subHeading, as opposed to this blog(from what I'm seeing) isn't using either of those which is standard on almost any XF page.I like dedicated custom classes, take showcase for example, this uses many custom classes and is one of the most popular add-ons available. I'm betting I could style better blogs with ease but I'm in a "can't be bothered doing anything" rut these days but the custom class approach is something I welcome and has been proved to be a pro (showcase being an example).
Unless i'm missing the obvious here.
@Rigel Kentaurus - Anychance you could make a default style available so I can view this? I checked your site and it only had it displaying on the xenfocus style. If you could thanks if not, no worries.If it's standard on almost any XF page and it's in the container I'm using it
That is one area I think doesn't look great at all but that might be it just inheriting the custom style but couldn't give a thorough 2 cents feedback till I viewed the blog through a default xf style.Keep this
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I don't care if @LP-John thinks the round date doesn't look good. I do.
Look, I do not want my blogs to look like extensions of forums. I want blogs to look like blogs. This means you should be mimic WordPress.org or such sites as Thoughts.com where bloggers seem to flock to.
To answer the original question.....What are your thoughts and which is better in your opinion?