XF 2.4 general discussion, feedback, complaints, random off topic posts, etc.

"Lack of communication" they posted a HYS less than two months ago, rounding up.

Chris posted on the 22nd (9 days ago)
Kier posted on the 26nd (5 days ago); he has obviously taken a step back from public communication as he is the main developer and is likely focusing on development (not uncommon).
Jeremy has posted almost consistently every day that he works with the last post being Saturday (2 days ago).

The issue is not lack of communication, the issue is that there is a lack of communication that people want, and not necessarily communication that is required by XF. Release dates are always tentative, and it was a mistake if Chris made a hard estimation; that said it is ridiculous for people to harp on repeatedly about this deadline as if it is set in gold, and to ignore that it is common for deadlines to be adjusted.

Communication could honestly be better, but without hiring someone specifically to interface between the developers you will have lapses in communication as developers need to do their primary job, which is development. Even if they were to have someone to specifically handle communication, it would not be much more than it is now as if there is not much to share about development than there is nothing to share. **** does not happen overnight 🙃.
 
Forsaken said:
to ignore that it is common for deadlines to be adjusted
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Except the deadline has not been adjusted. For that to happen, they would need to post something like "here is why we missed the timeline for 2.4, here is the planned new timeline for 2.4". Adjusting a timeline that you have made public and not making that new timeline public is not how a business should operate. Yes, it is common. Too common, really. That doesn't make it right or the proper way to do it. As someone working in IT management, this has caused me so much frustration over the years.

Other than this slip, I do generally appreciate the work Xenforo does and I am usually one of the ones defending them in these threads. But this one sticks in my craw a bit because I have, up until now, seen Xenforo as one of the companies that was not prone to this bad habit. Looking forward to hearing what the plan for 2.4 is going forward.
 
Mendalla said:
Except the deadline has not been adjusted. For that to happen, they would need to post something like "here is why we missed the timeline for 2.4, here is the planned new timeline for 2.4". Adjusting a timeline that you have made public and not making that new timeline public is not how a business should operate. Yes, it is common. Too common, really. That doesn't make it right or the proper way to do it. As someone working in IT management, this has caused me so much frustration over the years.

Other than this slip, I do generally appreciate the work Xenforo does and I am usually one of the ones defending them in these threads. But this one sticks in my craw a bit because I have, up until now, seen Xenforo as one of the companies that was not prone to this bad habit. Looking forward to hearing what the plan for 2.4 is going forward.
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They did say that it could take them longer than expected hence why they've been adding more versions.
 
Forsaken said:
The issue is not lack of communication, the issue is that there is a lack of communication that people want, and not necessarily communication that is required by XF.
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its whatever, but i have to disagree.....not doing what you said, and then not saying what the new plan is, is by definition a lack of communication.....its basically ghosting...lol......whether its "required" or not is perhaps beside the point, or exactly the point, im not sure.

i also dont go for they are too busy to have any idea or for one person to tell another person who posts etc
 
🔥Iggy🔥 said:
its whatever, but i have to disagree.....not doing what you said, and then not saying what the new plan is, is by definition a lack of communication.....its basically ghosting...lol......whether its "required" or not is perhaps beside the point, or exactly the point, im not sure.

i also dont go for they are too busy to have any idea or for one person to tell another person who posts etc
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This.
We should have the patience to wait and see what happens.
You should know by now that all members have family to deal with as well as working on this stuff.
That barring anything else there shouldn't be any problems.
 
How long does it simply take someone to post a quick update or situation status report for 2.4 or whatever version that is pushed beyond timeline?

I don’t think that is too much to ask. And you don’t need to hire someone else to make that post 😂
 
Forsaken said:
The issue is not lack of communication
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Of course it is. Ask your partner/children/loved-one/good-friend if they would accept you saying you'll do something substantial within a 6 month window, then not only do you not do it, but you don't adjust the timeframe once you realise you won't achieve it, nor do you explain to them why you've not been able to do it, and then when the 6 month window approaches/passes you don't talk about it. And make it a habit of doing this, saying only you'll do better, but not. Would any of those people think it's normal/sensible/acceptable behaviour? Sure, customers are not partner/children/loved-ones, but I'd like to think they're akin to good friends, if you want their respect and support, them to remain your customers once a viable alternative comes along.
 
Possibly a bit of misunderstanding:

Forsaken said:
this deadline
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a deadline means someone is dead if you miss or cross it. Neither is this true for XF2.4 nor has there been a deadline announced at all - there was just something like an expected timeframe for a release date as far as I followed it, nothing more. But some people misinterpret this as a hard deadline - wishful thinking. As in meany cases when it comes to deadlines, the understanding of what they are (and may be good for) and how they are defined. ;)
 
Mouth said:
Of course it is. Ask your partner/children/loved-one/good-friend if they would accept you saying you'll do something substantial within a 6 month window, then not only do you not do it, but you don't adjust the timeframe once you realise you won't achieve it, nor do you explain to them why you've not been able to do it, and then when the 6 month window approaches/passes you don't talk about it. And make it a habit of doing this, saying only you'll do better, but not. Would any of those people think it's normal/sensible/acceptable behaviour? Sure, customers are not partner/children/loved-ones, but I'd like to think they're akin to good friends, if you want their respect and support, them to remain your customers once a viable alternative comes along.
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i think the logic is, if you cant actually be sued for the lack of communication, its not "required".....however if you say something officially, you should require it of yourself to follow up, as a matter of integrity. IMHO
 
Alpha1 said:
BTW: I love that XF is now implementing third party addons. I hope that they are talking to @Xon because IMHO many of his great addons should be in core.
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XenForo implementing third party add-ons actually worries me a lot. These great add-ons are going from the hands of very capable developers who put out regular updates and enhancements to their add-ons, to the hands of XenForo who hasn't proven they can put out updates on a regular basis for many years now. These add-ons will never see the attention they received prior. Think very hard before wanting third party add-ons implemented into the core. In many cases it is NOT the best thing for anyone involved.
 
bzcomputers said:
XenForo implementing third party add-ons actually worries me a lot. These great add-ons are going from the hands of very capable developers who put out regular updates and enhancements to their add-ons, to the hands of XenForo who hasn't proven they can put out updates on a regular basis for many years now. These add-ons will never see the attention they received prior. Think very hard before wanting third party add-ons implemented into the core. In many cases it is NOT the best thing for anyone involved.
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Didn't think that way, good point! They should hire the developer too.

I don't get it, there are more and more customers but developement is still slow as hell.
 
bzcomputers said:
XenForo implementing third party add-ons actually worries me a lot. These great add-ons are going from the hands of very capable developers who put out regular updates and enhancements to their add-ons, to the hands of XenForo who hasn't proven they can put out updates on a regular basis for many years now. These add-ons will never see the attention they received prior. Think very hard before wanting third party add-ons implemented into the core. In many cases it is NOT the best thing for anyone involved.
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FWIW, the stuff coming from me is generally fairly mature. My “flash message” addon hasn’t been updated in 6 years (other than when I redid the JS so it didn’t use jQuery for XF 2.3, but functionally, it was the same). Similarly, my PWA addon hasn’t gotten anything new for 18 months except for XF 2.3 compatibility updates.

So this stuff is really in maintenance mode anyway (updating it for new versions of XenForo).
 
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