DragonByte Tech
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You gotta do Toxic by Britney Spears, cause being a moderator on any forum is wading into toxic waste.
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Suzanne O
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Great call!
Politics is boring
MentaL
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I would have been more excited to see you make TikTok videos for XenForo. I will put it in the suggestion forum.
The Xen team would be wonderful TikTokers. Lets see those dance moves, fellas.
Suzanne O
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Tiktok has too many weirdos on it
MentaL
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Every platform has weirdos. It's a given.
Mr Lucky
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Hopefully it's not left/right if I observe this interesting thing:
Many people I hear talking about social media (or forums) seem to use the word censorship (as a bad thing) when what is happening is moderation.
I wonder if those people who prefer lack of moderation actually want to see lots of extreme porn, beheadings etc. all over social media and other media.
Arantor
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No, it just correlates with their perception of their points of view being restrictively moderated. Or more specifically, they want freedom of speech with freedom from consequence. Almost as if they know their views aren't mainstream compatible.
And they seem to believe that 'free speech' applies everywhere unilaterally, as though forums (and social media) aren't private businesses that can choose who they permit, as long as they're not discriminating on protected criteria (which inevitably they don't know enough to do so)
Still one of the great things about forums: they set their own policies.
MentaL
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It's mainly news headlines related to politics that hit the moderation system. Historically we can see from leaks from Google engineers that there is a bias to degree but a platform is allowed to moderate how they deem fit but I would assume the issue is when that systems has a monopoly over a target audience then it has to follow the law.
In the grand scheme of things, platforms come and go. It's up the platform itself to move in the direction of It's consumer. I also don't see value in splitting a user base down to It's politics. As stated previously, I like how forums operate. A blanket set of rules. Simple.
Mr Lucky
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Surely that doesn't even exist when even when referring to real Freedom of Speech. Terms and conditions apply.
Maybe they just want just freedom of obnoxiousness. I think it's probably on one of the amendments.
Arantor
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Of course it doesn’t, but I assure you this is lost on them. I have have people quote free speech at me over the years - even when the response is “this server is hosted in the UK, I am based in the UK, US law doesn’t get to override that”
What’s really funny is that if you turn it around and apply it to them, they really don’t like it, which is the underlying proof that it’s not about freedom of speech. Suggest to them that you could go around their house and call them all the names under the sun and they would point out that they’d kick you out of the house, because that isn’t free speech. Can’t have it both ways, though.
Mr Lucky
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This doesn't make any sense either, why would people support a candidate they disagree with? I also seriously doubt anyone has got banned for merely declaring support for someone, where is the evidence for that or is it just anecdotal?
Arantor
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The other pronoun; user x gets banned because they support a given candidate where admin y emphatically doesn't.
Wildcat Media
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As I know you're aware of, with forums being private enterprises (not a branch the government, in other words), there isn't such a thing as "free speech." The problem with many, at least in the US per our Constitution, is that they feel that First Amendment means, "I can say anything I want, and you can't do anything about it." Such a headache for all of us when we get members who turn into keyboard warriors and scream "censorship!" when we remove a word from their post. (The petulant children have never faced true censorship in their lives.) That's why I allude to that in the forum rules of every forum I'm an admin for.
As for what the social media platforms do, we're talking about big money and politically lobbyists. In essence, they can do whatever the frack they want and get no more than a slapped wrist or trivial fine. That's how we got here, and why all of us are powerless to do anything. Their sole purposes seem to be to give users dopamine hits for "likes" so they can keep them coming back to view their advertising.
Arantor
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Completely correct, it's all about the advertising (and of course, collecting enough data on you to profile you to sell ads better). Bonus points for showing you content you don't like so that you will engage with it to angrily answer back at it and keep being on the platform.
Wildcat Media
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I hate to say it, but anger/hatred is a lot more powerful draw for users these days, and many do thrive on the misinformation that drives it.
How did we ever get to this point in society? I don't want to blame social media but...yeah, OK, I do blame social media for so much of it.
As an offshoot of social media and the problems it causes (beyond lying politicians), I currently have a bank account in limbo (can't use it anymore) because of a 16 business day hold on any deposited or transferred funds, because some kids on T!kTøk figured out a modern way to kite checks and defraud banks of money. So for the few newly created accounts that were the cause of it, these financial institutions are making all customers pay. So now I'm having to scramble for another bank with the same features...
Wildcat Media
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I can't find myself enthused at the thought of @Paul B shakin' his groove thang on my phone first thing in the morning...
Arantor
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As soon as it was realised this was monetisable, at scale, it was inevitable. Everything that flows from 'next month's numbers must be bigger' will guarantee optimising for that, and as soon as it was figured out that weaponising anger was monetisable, it was basically a free money pit because there's never a shortage of that.
MentaL
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Welcome to clickbait headlines. The fact now have the term doom scrolling says it all really. But once again, it is not a basis of reality but the perception. Sadly, we as the consumer are not tought how to manage certain types of content, including but not limited to, propaganda.
The Internet was always going to be be used against a populous, whether it's foreign or domestic. Oh well, I just mind my own business though.
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