I'm deciding between vB and xF right now. vB is a damn legacy at this point, which means it has tons of addon and modification support, however xF comes with many of these addons out of the box, and seems to be going in a better direction. However before I purchase I must know if there is a class or proper documentation on complete website integration. Searching has yielded some random user submitted code and while that may work it's not officially supported. ~ I'm not interested in downloaded 34,000 different scripts / frameworks to get this running. If it doesn't play well with others out of the box, it's not for me. ~ A little effort from my part is completely acceptable. Though if ALL effort is on my part then there's absolutely no reason to pay. ~ How is skinning with xF? ~ Not interested in a fanboy debate over vB and xF, I'll buy whichever one suits my needs best. Screw IPB. Thanks guys, hopefully we can make a transaction soon.