Adam Howard
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After I saw this comment long ago, I never wanted anything to do with him: View attachment 35523
http://xenforo.com/community/threads/self-delete-by-waindigo.32728/page-3#post-427624
After I saw this comment long ago, I never wanted anything to do with him: View attachment 35523
One report of fee 'avoidance' to PP will get the account canceled and it will take 3-6 months to extract any monies from that account. PP frowns on fee dodgers who use their service - just as said coder frowns upon those who expect free work or discount.ibaker, I'd file a dispute with PayPal if I were you. Even if you can't get your money back, it may lead to them red-flagging his account so he can't pull this crap in the future.
I'm interested that you say this and hadn't realised that this was the case. It was suggested to me by a customer when I started selling add-ons about 10 months ago that I should do this. I would never refuse anyone's right to use PayPal's dispute service etc. and if they wanted to pay with fees then I would request that they add this on top of my quote. Like you say, it is only 3%.I've learned over the years that this is normally a flag...
It is just not feasible to have lots of progress payments/milestones for a 5 hour job. I think ibaker refers to a first copy that I sent him. This was around half way through the job and he seemed relatively happy at that point.A good example of why agreed on progress payments/milestones are a good idea. Nobody gets in too deep.
Couldn't have summed it up better myself. I am usually working on XenForo from the moment I wake up in a morning to last thing at night trying to please everyone and failing miserably. When things like this happen I just want to go in a corner and cry, but this is my business and my life and sitting in a corner crying isn't an option.No offense to Waindigo but those convo's don't surprise me at all no offense but you suck dude, no offense love your work, you still suck, no offense, oh yeah thanks for library it's awesome, you suck btw, just kidding oh btw alot of your mods break my site so you still suck, haha just kidding no forreal they did break my site but it's okay cause some of them were free so you don't suck that bad, just kidding you don't suck at all. hahahah okay maybe a tad bit but sometimes the awesomeness outweighs the suckiness, except when your being an azzhole with your quotes but it's all good cause Jesus still loves you, oh and I 5 starred a lot of your mods so you can't suck that much right? Most definitely not... until sh!t hits the fan then it's like F U DUDE YOU SUCK! especially with that copyright removal crap, i mean who does that? Just you and Dragonbyte and we hate that sh!t but it doesn't matter because you end up making a cool mod every now and then that outweighs the suckiness and floats you to the realm of awesome, but only for awhile then it's back to the usual same ole shiet. Waindigo, what's good breh?
Almost every add-on that has been released on these forums has been paid for in this way. Regarding the copyright notice, he would only have to put this on his site if he kept updating his add-on with new features that he hasn't paid for. This only becomes an issue because I release add-ons publicly -- if everything was kept private, then no new features would be developed for his add-on. So he is in no worse position because I release his add-ons publicly other than that he doesn't own the add-on.I don't know the specifics of the deal other than your side but would think it a given that if I paid someone hundreds of dollars to create a piece of software for me, it would belong to me. From the attached, it would also appear that you would begin to have a copyright notice in your footer after 12 months unless you paid more? This would be unacceptable to me.
This is not the case. While the add-on is not working perfectly now, I have said I would fixed the bugs. I think I have said this several times in the conversation that has been posted and have never said anything differently.You guys may be forgetting one thing...I don't have a working product of any kind to show for my money but as included in the conversation notes he won't give me anything till I pay him more money...isn't that just straight out extortion along with the PayPal con?
Don't worry, I feel ashamed.Wow, shame on you, Waindigo.
I won't be bullied into doing extra work without being paid. My ability to program is the skill that I am charging for. I wouldn't ask anyone else on this site to do what they do for a living for free for me, so it would be nice if people didn't expect me to do the same. Quite clearly my ability to do deal appropriately with upset customers is not my main skill.The amount of time you spent arguing with ibaker is probably almost as much time as it would take to get you 80 to 90 percent of the way to what you agreed upon.
If the general consensus is that ibaker deserves his money back, then he will get it.ibaker, I'd file a dispute with PayPal if I were you. Even if you can't get your money back, it may lead to them red-flagging his account so he can't pull this crap in the future.
Winning.ibaker: Hi Jon: Just had a look at the vb5 demo...I will say no more other then to ask that we go ahead with this mod please.
How much is it going to cost to finish this ?Dispute
Bugs are always fixed free of charge and I also said that he was not obliged to pay for the additional hour. So he will have a working add-on once these are all fixed. Requests have been made for additional features and there will obviously be further costs for this, which I think have all been outlined in the conversation attached by ibaker.How much is it going to cost to finish this ?
Can we have a link to the vb mod?
You can see the vb version that I have used on my site at:
http://www.recreationalflying.com.au/pages/airstrips/
I have uploaded the vb version (vb v3.8) of the mod that you can download and have a look at if you like:
http://www.aviationenthusiasts.net/vbgooglemaphse1.0.4.zip
Almost every add-on that has been released on these forums has been paid for in this way. Regarding the copyright notice, he would only have to put this on his site if he kept updating his add-on with new features that he hasn't paid for. This only becomes an issue because I release add-ons publicly -- if everything was kept private, then no new features would be developed for his add-on. So he is in no worse position because I release his add-ons publicly other than that he doesn't own the add-on.
Bugs are always fixed free of charge and I also said that he was not obliged to pay for the additional hour. So he will have a working add-on once these are all fixed. Requests have been made for additional features and there will obviously be further costs for this, which I think have all been outlined in the conversation attached by ibaker.
Well it might depend on your country regulation then. I can speak for France, whatever the field of expertise is (music, video, articles, etc) the author is the owner of what he created even if he sold it to someone, unless the contract had a legal statement that transfers the copyright to the buyer.He paid for the job he owns the code
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_FranceThe proprietary rights of the author allow him or her to exploit the work for financial gain. The author has the right to authorize the reproduction of the work (droit de reproduction) and to allow its public performance (droit de représentation): he or she may also prevent the reproduction or public performance.
The author may transfer his or her proprietary rights to a third party.
France has extortion laws tooWell it might depend on your country regulation then. I can speak for France, whatever the field of expertise is (music, video, articles, etc) the author is the owner of what he created even if he sold it to someone, unless the contract had a legal statement that transfers the copyright to the buyer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_France
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