You fellas are acting like their QC team!
Hopefully, they won't look at this thread and/or make changes based on it, or a class action suit against them may result!
This was a source of a lot of confusion, and complaints.My jaw dropped at the forum display menu! It takes you to the #@^&ing content stream! Not your typical thread display listing!
They think they will innovate with this tactic. lol. lol. lol.
ARGH! I can't look at this abomination anymore!
Their ForumCon hype will bite them in the @$$ once this is released. *laughs, and continues to laugh as he leaves*
vBulletin customers will get even more pissed off than that vB4 fiasco. I'm calling it right now: Even more customers will leave in droves at a scale that has never seen before.
I'm sooooo glad I moved to xenForo. As Gordon Ramsey would say: This is just embarrassing.
The ONLY thing(s) I like about vB5 is the post bit. And the ability to put your video on the right column over there. I like that "Post thread" button navi follows you.. That's it.
No, as I mention in my first post, XF beta was much more polished. vb5 beta seems more like alpha.Holy crap, it's awful.
Guys, I'll go grab a shovel. It's time to dig a grave.
RIP vBulletin.
EDIT: I think, to be fair, it might be slightly unfair judging this as we are on a Beta product... I wasn't around at the time, but I assume the first XF beta wasn't this piss poor?
When asked about why vb5 was so sluggish, Wayne.Luke explained that this is beta and they have not much optimizing of the code yet. I'm not an experienced coder, so I don't know if that is common practice or not. One poster however, said that this was not common practice and that optimization begins with even creating the code vs pushing it out, then going back to optimize.Traditional SDLC (Software Development Life Cycle) treats the beta as a frozen product but with bug fixes. Granted some of these fixes may be performance related, however expect not much additional changes to the actual product and that the product you see going forward will not change much.
When asked about why vb5 was so sluggish, Wayne.Luke explained that this is beta and they have not much optimizing of the code yet. I'm not an experienced coder, so I don't know if that is common practice or not. One poster however, said that this was not common practice and that optimization begins with even creating the code vs pushing it out, then going back to optimize.
https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php/407225-Speed-on-page-loading
/shrugs
I'm by no means an experienced developer like Naatan or Robbo. I'm very much a beginner. But even I know that some of the code demonstrated by Robbo is just crap. And that's coming from someone whose own code is probably crap in places.When asked about why vb5 was so sluggish, Wayne.Luke explained that this is beta and they have not much optimizing of the code yet. I'm not an experienced coder, so I don't know if that is common practice or not. One poster however, said that this was not common practice and that optimization begins with even creating the code vs pushing it out, then going back to optimize.
https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php/407225-Speed-on-page-loading
/shrugs
And that is what makes you an outstanding developerI'm by no means an experienced developer like Naatan or Robbo. I'm very much a beginner. But even I know that some of the code demonstrated by Robbo is just crap. And that's coming from someone whose own code is probably crap in places.
As for the optimizing of code, for me if 1 query too many creeps in to my code as I'm going along I fix it immediately before moving on to something else. I don't know whether it's right or wrong, but in my mind you make your code as good as it can be as you go along otherwise it becomes too tempting to think "well it works, I'll release" and I prefer to know that I'm developing the best thing I possibly can.
Generally optimising should be in the back of your head all the time and it comes down to the code design you do before writing a thing, even if it is 10 minutes thinking about it in your head. And what you do is also correct, you see somewhere that could be done better for performance (especially important with queries like your example) and you fix it there and then unless it would take a lot to fix, in which case you make a note.I'm by no means an experienced developer like Naatan or Robbo. I'm very much a beginner. But even I know that some of the code demonstrated by Robbo is just crap. And that's coming from someone whose own code is probably crap in places.
As for the optimizing of code, for me if 1 query too many creeps in to my code as I'm going along I fix it immediately before moving on to something else. I don't know whether it's right or wrong, but in my mind you make your code as good as it can be as you go along otherwise it becomes too tempting to think "well it works, I'll release" and I prefer to know that I'm developing the best thing I possibly can.
I agree with you in your assessment of how poorly IB is run, with regards to vb anyway.I'm going to be brave and make an early prediction that vB5 will be a commercial flop with a further two years of patching and "updating" during which time the competition will overtake them and the vBulletin name and brand will lose traction and potentially fall into the annals of Internet software history.
A shame really when you consider the halcyon days of vB3.
Shucks, thank you. I wouldn't go that farAnd that is what makes you an outstanding developer
Off topic..... Does anyone notice the share buttons here on XenForo have changed? (Someone is working XenForo)
The marketing screenshots resembled more of something similar to XF's ACP. But the working screenshots I've seen look just like a cleaned up vb3/vb5 ACP.How about the ACP? Is it the same confusing menu navigation as in vb3 and 4 or did they changed that too?
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