Downvoting and taking back your vote are not the same thing.
No if you have voted up and click the down arrow it changes to downvote (-2) a removal is -1.now he has right to take his vote back and also to vote against. he can do either one with one down arrow. right?
I'm sorry but I refuse to discuss how it is in Alice's Wonderworld. )No if you have voted up and click the down arrow it changes to downvote (-2) a removal is -1.
You have conveyed perfectly. If people are confused there is merit to the concern. I am sure they are working on something that would help those users while retaining the same logic as to not change it on those that agree with the way it currently works. That's what's driving them bonkers right now.There seems to be some misunderstanding here.
I don't think it's about the system, or the maths, or for me underestanding the difference between upvote, cancellation of vote or downvote, but about the presentation and how it can be a clearer and more intuitive interface for (the many) people who are not developers or who have not used sites that have this kind of presentation of a voting system.
The Youtube "system" is the same (no argument) just that the presentation is more intuitive for non-techy people.
I wish I was articulate enough to get that across, but I know my limits or when I am actually flogging a dead horse.
There seems to be some misunderstanding here.
Yes, it has to be the same logic because right now the logic of the system is fine, it should be the same as all the previous well tested, conventional and understood systems. It's just the interface and presentation that is a problem for me (and I know will be) my non-developer members.while retaining the same logic as to not change it on those that agree with the way is currently works
As pointed out before:agree )
and we can make a next step in our thinking if we agree that the one who already upvoted shouldn't see the up arrow as he doesn't have the right to use it any more.
true?
No, using the down arrow is down voting, not taking your vote back. They are 2 entirely different things.agree )
and we can make a next step in our thinking if we agree that the one who already upvoted shouldn't see the up arrow as he doesn't have the right to use it any more.
true?
now he has right to take his vote back and also to vote against. he can do either one with one down arrow. right?
now in any case up arrow should appear for him. but those who just took his vote back should still see down arrow also, to be able to vote against.
and those who already voted against should see an up arrow only.
am I right or am I right? )
I said that after I turned on the light, I don't need that option on a switch anymore. But I didn't say, that the light shouldn't stay turned on. )By using that logic we also shouldn't display the reaction a user has given on a post
I completely and totally agree.
I can think of 3 differences:
1 Arrows rather than like/dislike icons (not a huge deal if it's easy enough to swap out the icons)
2 Vertically aligned (not a huge deal but I think there is a small psychological impact on the whole up/down debate)
3 Only one number on xenforo , ie the difference rather than showing the actual number of like & dislike. This is the big one that people do/will find confusing as it doesn't immediately re;ate to what they just did, unlike with the Youtube example.
Together it adds up to not being as user friendly or intuitive as I would like. But I don't wish to be selfish, ultimately I'll accept the will of the people
I agree they are not relevant to the maths and the underlying system of voting, vote cancellation and vote counting, but relevant to the user experience and how the general public who aren’t developers understand what is happening and how to interact with it. The underlying system is perfect IMO.All of these points are entirely irrelevant.
I agree they are not relevant to the maths and the underlying system of voting, vote cancellation and vote counting, but relevant to the user experience and how the general public who aren’t developers understand what is happening and how to interact with it. The underlying system is perfect IMO.
I guess that is why ad agencies and political parties have research or focus groups. To test things on the general public.
That. Is. Already. How. XenForo. Works.
I now realise we were talking about different things.All of these points are entirely irrelevant.
Exactly my point!I'm only talking about the way it's presented in the user interface.
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