Reactivation fee

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Can anyone tell me how much is the reactivation fee for xenforo?I noticed that xenforo stuff said the reactivation fee would be a range from 40 to 140.
I need the exact number before determining to buy a license.Thanks.

 

[FreshFroot]

This is XenForo We, the community have some time ahead of us to build up plugins and mods and translations, right here where the community is already based. Modders will be providing their mods to the license holders. After a year (and a bit) or so, those who haven't extended their license will do so in order that they can access the downloads available. I can let you know that all current license holders have a license that will not expire within the next year

What would happen to a modder, who sets their mod here for free. And then doesn't renew their license?

They then wouldn't be able to post in their own thread? How would they provide support then?

 

[AdamD]

Bit of a strange policy, in my opinion.
Perhaps another site dedicated to modifications is needed, one which isn't tied to an active subscription.

 

[AnthonyCea]

There most likely are a ton of those up or planned already.

 

[dieketzer]

the more i think about it, the less happy i am about this. if the product really is that great and k&m do plan on regularly updating and extending, it would stand to reason that punitive 'reactivation' fees arent needed. locking me out of the licenced forums and cutting me off from even updating mods such when my subscription lapses... well not even ib do that.
having second thoughts about xf and considering cancelling before the paypal goes through.

 

[James]

I get the feeling I will renew yearly but the part about not having access to modifications is a bit of a let-down for modification authors and people who wish to use these modifications.

I must also wonder what's to stop multiple license holders just keeping one license active and then applying all updates from that 1 license to all of their licenses?

 

[FreshFroot]

Bit of a strange policy, in my opinion.
Perhaps another site dedicated to modifications is needed, one which isn't tied to an active subscription.

I liked the way vB had it with vBulletin.org.

But, then again vBorg was unofficial at one point and later merged with Jelsoft

 

[FreshFroot]

There most likely are a ton of those up or planned already.

Ya.. but there is just TOO many of them. It will be hard to keep up.. that is unless one of them becomes dominate for resources. I can't see msyelf having to visit 3-4 different places. So I guess we will see if someone can get enough people to visit just one mods community forum.

 

[FreshFroot]

the more i think about it, the less happy i am about this. if the product really is that great and k&m do plan on regularly updating and extending, it would stand to reason that punitive 'reactivation' fees arent needed. locking me out of the licenced forums and cutting me off from even updating mods such when my subscription lapses... well not even ib do that.
having second thoughts about xf and considering cancelling before the paypal goes through.

Exactly.. That is also why I don't like this fee. I know for the next few yrs I WILL be renewing. Matter of fact, I can't see how someone could NOT renew? I mean this is early stages in the software and you will always have updates coming out. So it makes total sense to be up to date.

But, to me the fee is as if the manegment doesn't trust us to know we won't renew. Or in a business point of view like IB.. maximize long term profits... well short term for IB.

 

[FreshFroot]

I get the feeling I will renew yearly but the part about not having access to modifications is a bit of a let-down for modification authors and people who wish to use these modifications.

I must also wonder what's to stop multiple license holders just keeping one license active and then applying all updates from that 1 license to all of their licenses?

Well I assume you could easily use a mod if 1 license was only renewed. Then again, the mods are not part of xenforo. So if those users post it at more than once place. Then technically your safe.

As for updating the software, then that would be illegal and they would find out. Every xenforo copy has a unique license ID. So if you used the same ID on multiple forums even though you have urls listed in your members area. It would set off alarms and let them know that the same license is being used.

So no you won't be able to update the software.

Which makes me wonder... if you don't renew, then will you still get security patches?

 

[Russ]

I don't see why in the world there's a 189 post discussion on this topic! Renewal fee of $40 is nothing, skip your trips to Starbucks for 2 weeks .

One idea that could be considered is it's prorated from how long you have it, first year is 40, second is 35/30, third is 25/20 until a certain limit. It'd reward the folks who have stuck with the board for quite some time but still bring in come income as well.

 

[FreshFroot]

I don't see why in the world there's a 189 post discussion on this topic! Renewal fee of $40 is nothing, skip your trips to Starbucks for 2 weeks .

One idea that could be considered is it's prorated from how long you have it, first year is 40, second is 35/30, third is 25/20 until a certain limit. It'd reward the folks who have stuck with the board for quite some time but still bring in come income as well.

What about multiple license holders? Say if I had 5 licenses...

oh I guess I better skip trips to starbucks and my local grocery store and skip off the soap and shampoo too

 

[Russ]

What about multiple license holders? Say if I had 5 licenses...

oh I guess I better skip trips to starbucks and my local grocery store and skip off the soap and shampoo too

What about them? They know about the fee before they purchased the license... it's not like XF is telling you on the 11 month, "oh by the way...". If you start putting aside 16 dollars a month for the next year(3 starbucks trips ) you can renew all 5 licenses. I just created you a savings plan , aren't you glad.

 

[whynot]

I don't see why in the world there's a 189 post discussion on this topic! Renewal fee of $40 is nothing, skip your trips to Starbucks for 2 weeks .

One idea that could be considered is it's prorated from how long you have it, first year is 40, second is 35/30, third is 25/20 until a certain limit. It'd reward the folks who have stuck with the board for quite some time but still bring in come income as well.

Hmm.. $40 is nothing... then you have the idea of 40> 35>30>25>20 to a certain limit...
So, you would accept that???

 

[DaveL]

Its all well and good people coming on here and saying "avoid your starbucks trip, its only $40", I dont need to avoid anything. Ive got the money sitting in the bank to renew. The difference being, I want to renew when I want to renew, not when im told too in fear of being landed with a penalty.

Plus Paul has made a very valid point about modifications. So your now saying that even if you dont want to upgrade, if you want access to the modification and support for those modifications, you also need to pay $40.

Im always more willing to do things off my own back, not when im being forced to do things.

 

[Russ]

Hmm.. $40 is nothing... then you have the idea of 40> 35>30>25>20 to a certain limit...
So, you would accept that???

Accept what? I purchased a license knowing I'd be doing a yearly $40 fee and I'm fine with that. The going down on price is just an extra incentive to retain clients. It's merely an idea thrown out there with no business plan involved what so ever. I honestly don't see the big deal in paying a tiny fee(to some this may not be tiny and I understand that) to get extra upgrades, new versions of the software, the privilege of having the resource area at your finger tips.

I think it's simple and of course I don't speak for XenForo what so ever but if at the time it suites your needs and your budget, then fantastic, renew to get the upgrades. But there's always phpBB if that's a problem.

 

[Russ]

Its all well and good people coming on here and saying "avoid your starbucks trip, its only $40", I dont need to avoid anything. Ive got the money sitting in the bank to renew. The difference being, I want to renew when I want to renew, not when im told too in fear of being landed with a penalty.

Plus Paul has made a very valid point about modifications. So your now saying that even if you dont want to upgrade, if you want access to the modification and support for those modifications, you also need to pay $40.

Im always more willing to do things off my own back, not when im being forced to do things.

That's like stating you want to pay your credit card bill when you choose to and not the actual due date. These guys are extending a service to you and are asking for a small charge at a certain due date to keep up with maintenance which you do have a 9 month grace period! Also the starbucks was just an observation as I work in banking and folks complain about a fee they just got when I see 10 starbuck trips made in the past week. It really comes down to priorities, getting into owning a forum unless you're using a free software you will be expected to shove out some cost.

As with the modifications... yes it is a valid argument but I think Ashley put it best as there's still a year to figure things out (not in those exact words ;p)

 

[DaveL]

Russ, Your posts come across as very patronising. Just because im not happy with the penalty fee you reckon I should up sticks and move to phpBB? Dont think so!

I can afford the upgrades each year, but I dont appreciate being told "Renew or suffer a penalty". I like to make my own decisions and renew as and when I want too.

 

[whynot]

The going down on price is just an extra incentive to retain clients.

Let the customers paying their $40 when they want to, could be a super extra incentive to retain clients.

 

[DaveL]

That's like stating you want to pay your credit card bill when you choose to and not the actual due date. These guys are extending a service to you and are asking for a small charge at a certain due date to keep up with maintenance which you do have a 9 month grace period! Also the starbucks was just an observation as I work in banking and folks complain about a fee they just got when I see 10 starbuck trips made in the past week. It really comes down to priorities, getting into owning a forum unless you're using a free software you will be expected to shove out some cost.

No offence, but that is a completly pointless example! With a credit card your offered an amount of credit you know you have to pay back. How on earth you can compare that to purchasing a Xenforo licence is beyond me!

So basically Xenforo is a yearly subscription, subject to termination and reactivation penalities.

 

[ManagerJosh]

Question on support. Does this mean that you need an active license to even receive community based support?