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heh.
So you think the Republicans are going to win the Presidency in 2012 ?
I'll accept that bet.
The Cubs have a better chance of winning the World Series in 2012 than Obama has of winning the election. He has the worst numbers of any president in history, worse than Carter's. The only way they have a chance is if Obama declines to run, which he won't. He's been campaigning instead of governing since the 2010 elections.
 
heh.
So you think the Republicans are going to win the Presidency in 2012 ?
I'll accept that bet.

Would you accept the bet if we were to bet it will not be Bammy? I am almost starting to think the Dems will put someone up agianst him. Obama is a sitting duck. Killing Osama bought hi some credit, but the state of the union keeps haunting him. Normally, the republicans would have butchered him, but their problem is that all their major candidates are seem to be religious nutcases.

I really think there will be a shift in president, but I am not certain it will be a republican who wins.
 
I'll give you three reasons why it will be a Republican

  1. Obama is going to run. Most of his presidency has been a campaign and he has no intention of letting go. His disapproval rating continues to set records, not just in terms of how long, but for how long it has been negative. He owns this economy. He can't blame it on Bush and his party owns the fact that there hasn't been a budget, let alone a balanced budget, for nearly three years. This country has been running on continuing resolutions for nearly his entire time in office.
  2. Republican primaries will decide the nominee early. In the past, they have had a habit of attacking each other so long and viciously during the primary cycle, that whoever emerges is bloodied and damaged from the in-fighting. An early end to the primaries ends that cycle.
  3. Obama's eroded base. Obama has been a disappointment to the far left and to the independent voter. He ran on a promise of hope and change. The hope has been dashed by his inability to make any economic improvement and there has been no change in partisan politics, government transparency, or an improvement in government ethics. Watch for the telltale signals. Democrats up for reelection with distance themselves from him, and even challenge hi to show they are "different". See how many actually tell him to stay away from their districts, even in close races.
If the Democrats are smart, they'll nominate Clinton. She could turn it all around for them.
 
He has the worst numbers of any president in history, worse than Carter's. The only way they have a chance is if Obama declines to run, which he won't. He's been campaigning instead of governing since the 2010 elections.
I think Obama will will because the Republican party is going to implode.
 
I think Obama will will because the Republican party is going to implode.
Based on what? I think its far more likely that Fast and Furious along with the court challenge to Obamacare is going to energize the right and cause independents to abandon Obama. Republicans usually implode in protracted fights in the primary, but that doesn't seem to be the case this year. Its possible if they rush too fast to find a nominee who ends up having a pretty nasty skeleton or two in the closet, but if they're properly vetted, the contracted cycle benefits republicans.
 
A good example of the mood of the US is what is going on with these "Occupy" protests.
It definitely indicates increasing anti-Republican sentiment.
 
A good example of the mood of the US is what is going on with these "Occupy" protests.
It definitely indicates increasing anti-Republican sentiment.
That thing indicates what is going on with a small percentage in this country. If you want a better example, look no further than the Tea Party. They are an actual force to be taken seriously, not OWS.
 
Statements like this are part of the problem. It might resonate, but its false.

in 2010, BofA paid back its TARP loans in full, but also posted a $2.2 billion loss, the first loss of any kind since before the BankAmerica/Nations Bank merger in '97, the last year I worked for them. Thats a net loss of annual revenue of $4.78 billion. Card services, where Congress cut fees and they countered by raising debit card fees, was a loss of $1.1 billion. When a bank is losing money in card services, its irresponsible for Congress to cut their fees and damage the industry further. The shift of fees from credit cards to debit cards, while not popular, makes perfect sense given the increase in use and processing costs.

And here's the kicker. This is the way Congress envisioned this working. It's called the Durban rule. Go read some of the statements made during the debate. In short, by capping per swipe fees, they will reduce the cost of businesses to process credit card transactions, lowering the burden on the business. Card issuers will them recoup costs directly from their customers in the form of other offsetting fees.

The Durban rule wasn't designed to help card users. it was designed to help small businesses and screw the consumer. Congress didn't try to help the little guy only to have the evil banks adopt a different tactic. This was by design. If anyone is curious, Durban is an Illinois Dem.

I disagree on this issue. See this article explaining the robbery that is debit card fees: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/07/opinion/debit-card-fees-are-robbery.html
 
Capitalism has been proven to everyone in the world that it failed. Seeking profit and forgetting that we are human kind can be dangrouse. Look at where we are now. We need a solution socialism is not it, but unity against wars and those who benfit afterward can be our real weapon. :) You feel you are oppressed by the regime, go outside and protest :) its been this way for decades and its working. Keeping your mouth shout would not bring you your right. Speak loud and clear and make your point so the entire world will listen and support you.
If you mean that the way capitalism is regulated has failed, you may have an argument. But if you mean socialism or communism or other economic regimes are better than capitalism, then I disagree (I do recognize that you said socialism is not the answer, but I am not clear if you mean capitalism as a whole is a failure). I would disagree on that point.
 
Here's a nice quick read:

Here Are The Four Charts That Explain What The Protesters Are Angry About...

profit.webp
 
A good example of the mood of the US is what is going on with these "Occupy" protests.
It definitely indicates increasing anti-Republican sentiment.
Perhaps if it were a mainstream, grassroots movement, but it isn't. its a foreign motivated, internet instigated flash mob made up of a marginal mover demographic. Its a political whisp that will dissipate as quickly as it arrived.
 
There are lies, damned lies and statistics. These charts do not tell a complete story. They're skewed to support an agenda.

What you should see is the full picture. These charts are based on gross profit. Lets complete the entire lifecycle and show a net profit chart, percent of reinvestment of profits into business growth and lets complete the employee compensation picture as well. What percentage of margin goes towards employee profit sharing, pension funding, health care costs and unemployment?

And here is a great question to have a charts on: how much cash assets do these companies have and how many are holding back investing right now because of uncertainty about Obamacare healthcare costs and concerns about future tax increases?

That will give you the full picture. It will explain why the market hasn't had a huge uptick. Gross profit is higher because costs are higher. Cash reserves are greater than ever, because the businesses are concerned about government policy. The business environment is unstable. Thats what happens when the government doesn't pass budgets but rather runs on three years of continuing resolutions.

None of this happens in a vacuum. You have to connect all the dots and see the complete picture. It all runs back to Washington.

Oh yeah, one more chart please? Chart the price of the US dollar relative to the world currencies. You'll find that the actual value of those profits on the world market has remained relatively flat to declining. That great upsweep is a result in the decline of the value of the US dollar. You are aware that the dollar declined almost 40% worldwide since 2000?
 
So, there are Nazi/Racists who donate to and support the Republican Party, therefore the Republican Party must be Nazi/Racist?

Today the American Nazi Party released a statement in support of Occupy Wall Street movement.

The foremost authority on National Socialism in America has this to say about “Occupy” [ANP leader Rocky Suhayda -ed.] :
What is really MISSING – is the “MOVEMENT” from these popular protests – its time to pull WN heads out of their collective ass’s, and JOIN IN the attack on Judeo-Capitalism. What do you suggest? That WN Working Class White people DEFEND the Judeo-Capitalists? IF the “movement” wasn’t so PATHETIC it would be OUT THERE – LEADING these protests! The fact that its these “lefties” as you call them, who are picking up the ball and running with it – only shows how much more in tune THEY are with the fed up masses of White Workers, than the fossilized, reactionary “right-wing”. WHO holds the WEALTH and POWER in this country – the JUDEO-CAPITALISTS. WHO is therefore the #1 ENEMY who makes all this filth happen – the JUDEO-CAPITALISTS. WHO therefore do WN need to FIGHT? My heart is right there with these people, perhaps someday the “movement” will SHOW the same COURAGE and DEDICATION that these people OUT THERE FIGHTING are SHOWING!
Sincerely, ROCKY SUHAYDA Hail Victory! 88!
You were saying?

Communists have thrown in too

From the CPUSA website:

This is an exciting time! Thousands of mainly young people have been occupying Wall Street for three weeks already, and the “Occupy Movement” has spread to more than 200 other cities. On Oct. 6 the actions spread to our nation’s capital.
The Communist Party USA (CPUSA) will hold a national teleconference to discuss it:
Arturo Cambron
The Communist Party and the Occupy L.A. Movement
Tuesday, October 11, 8 pm Eastern
Teleconference number: 605-475-4850 (please note this is the corrected number. ignore previous.)
Access code: 1053538#

Southern California Party leader Arturo Cambron will share how the CPUSA and Young Communist League (YCL) are working in “Occupy Los Angeles.”
This movement, also known as the “99% movement,” is being hailed across the country. Movements and organizations are reaching out in solidarity. The AFL-CIO is opening union halls and offering other material assistance. Ordinary people are donating food, money and materials.
In many areas, the “Occupy Movement” is linking up with the National American Wants to Work Week of Actions, Oct. 10-16.
No doubt the “Arab Spring” demonstrations and those that exploded in Wisconsin, Ohio and elsewhere have inspired it. But underlying it all is the economic crisis, the massive unemployment and growing realization that nothing is getting better, and in fact we may be slipping into a “double dip” crisis. The crushing student debt and the feeling of being locked out of society with no future compound this.
The movement is the newest wrinkle in the all-people’s upsurge against the banks and corporations and reflects a new level of class-consciousness.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...s-support-behind-occupy-wall-street-movement/

Simply amazing. The useful idiots whipped into a frenzy by Anti-American foreigners and finding support with Nazis and Communists.

Now I'll tell you why this scares the hell out of democrats. This is their base. Ignore it and the base erode, becomes apathetic and reverts back to their traditional profile of not voting. But support them, and you alienate the moderate independents that decide elections.
 
A good example of the mood of the US is what is going on with these "Occupy" protests.
It definitely indicates increasing anti-Republican sentiment.
The Washington post weighs in...

And many on the left have attacked Obama and his administration for its ties to Wall Street, arguing that the financial regulatory overhaul fell far short of an industry makeover that many critics believed necessary.


Much of his top economic team has roots in the financial services industry, and in recent months Daley and top campaign aides have devoted much of their time improving the relationship with big-dollar donors on Wall Street.

That relationship helps explain the brewing tensions between Democratic officials and the Occupy Wall Street protests. The growing movement is adding new energy to a disaffected left that the party has been trying to excite — but it is largely separate from traditional party institutions.

“The fact that Obama has been so close to Wall Street makes this tough going for him,” said Van Jones, a longtime liberal organizer and former Obama aide.

Liberal activists, though, see the Occupy groups as a potentially more unwieldy phenomenon resistant to traditional politics and resentful of the Democratic Party’s reliance on corporate money.


That distrust was evident at an Atlanta demonstration last week, when Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), a legendary protester in his own right, was denied the chance to speak.
I posted that for you, BTW.

Seriously, you can't suckle at the teat of any one news source. You have to take them all in - liberal, moderate and conservative - compare and contrast and distill and synthesize them into the best representation of reality, free even of your own personal bias.

My own opinion is that third parties have an impossible time developing enough traction to be viable and they get the blame for causing the election of the "other guy" from the party they are most aligned with: Dems/Greens or Republicans/Liberarians, etc.

But this election has enough civil and economic unrest that if several alternate parties could promote viable, recognizable candidates that aren't the lunatic fringe, it could truly be a different type of election year. It could conceivably end the two-party system, which I believe is a good thing.

it would end political polarization and force a system of cooperation and coalition building. Imagine two more parties with just enough member to deprive both Democrats and Republicans of a majority in the Senate. By their decision of who to caucus with (which could change dynamically based on the topic), they would control who is in the majority. Even consider that they could over time become the majority by caucusing together.
 
Perhaps if it were a mainstream, grassroots movement, but it isn't. its a foreign motivated, internet instigated flash mob made up of a marginal mover demographic. Its a political whisp that will dissipate as quickly as it arrived.
Keep telling yourself that, Mr. Nixon,...er, I mean Sherman.
 
Fred: the swing voters at the occupy rallies won't be voting republican.
The democrats are going to much better than expected in 2012.
 
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