Rusty Snippets
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Has Elon Musk lost his mind or?…
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Rusty Snippets
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Bless your heart. Everything is going to be okay.
Rusty Snippets
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zappaDPJ
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I think the real problem here is if you associate yourself with the far-right and antisemitic conspiracy theories it's inevitable that people will interpret your every move with some scrutiny. The intent behind the salute was probably nothing more than a show of solidarity but given his political leanings it was still rather unwise. He may be the richest man in the world but he's certainly not the brightest.
Absolutely this. We need to normalise not calling people genius so much because he is anything but.
Starbucks
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I can confirm that this is the same in Argentina. If you knew how many times I had to kinda do a nazi gesture just for a taxi bc otherwise they’d pass by. I just make sure I do not stand firm on the ground but kinda put my right foot a bit further.
Even though many real Nazis fled to Argentina.
one of my Argentinian friends even has the MEIN KAMPF book in her library at home, she got it from her granddad.
Suzanne O
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Yep agree.
He's there for the money only. Not because of what he does.
smallwheels
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So this is how you order tea in Japan?
Interesting.
The so-called roman salute was actually never roman - there is absolutely no historical evidence. It was a thing invented in the early days of Italian cinema, then adapted by the Italian faschists around Mussolini and then in the 1920s taken over by the faschists around Hitler, where it became the official Nazi-guestures, called the "Deutscher Gruss".
If he had done that in Germany he would have gone straight to jail. Being German I obviously have quite a background around these things and seeing someone showing this gesture during a presidential inauguration is raising very bad feelings. This guy is either a nazi or a blanterous idiot or both at the same time. Even the most stupid person on earth would know that this gesture ist completely inadequate at an event like that - no matter what the intentions may be. So the least what it proofs is that Elon is an ignorant idiot with no sense for history and no respect for others. And that is the most positive interpretation possible.
Coincidently Mr Trump pardoned on the same day 1.500 rioters from jan 6th, including the people that killed policemen and including drug traffickers. And including this nice guy, wearing a "camp auschwitz" shirt:
For context: at minimum 1,1 million people were killed by the nazis in the Auschwitz concentration camp between 1940 and 1945. "Work brings freedom" was the cynical claim written on the entry door:
Photo on wikipedia by By xiquinhosilva - , CC BY 2.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=76102385
Whoever wears a shirt like that leaves absolutely no doubt about his attitude.
Maybe in Germany we are bit more sensitive towards these things than people from other nations. For very good reasons. But being more sensitive at identifying a nazi and resisting these movements is not a bad thing if you ask me.
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smallwheels
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Btw. especially when having two more things in mind:
• just like two weeks ago Musk recommended to Germans they may vote for the ADF in upcoming German elections. A party that is far, far rightwing and way off the democratic scope - it has been ruled out by courts throughout Germany that one of their leaders can legally be called a Nazi and they are officially named an "extremely right" party that has the intention to get rid of the constitution and therefor the party is legally under surveillance of the German equivalent of the secret service.
• Not only did Elon recommend to vote for them with the words "AfD is the only pary that can safe Germany" - he also did a public online talk with one of their leaders. So he IS, w/o any doubt, promoting nazis. Even before that gesture at the trump event.
• regarding the gesture: Elon comes from South Africa. They do have their very own nazi party, dating back 1973: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaner_Weerstandsbeweging They are using those gestures as well - hard to believe that he did not know what he was doing.
He himself gave btw. the advice:
What we saw was obbious.
It is incredible that there are people that claim this wasn't a nazi gesture. Someone on X wrote this which I consider pretty well on point:
"I’ve been reflecting on this over the past day or so, and I’ve come to a realization. Many of my friends on the center-right who are upset with me for making what I believe to be very obvious observations aren’t necessarily angry at me—they’re angry at the implications of what I’m saying. The idea that neo-Nazism has entered the mainstream, potentially influencing the White House, is so alarming and existentially terrifying that it's easier to lash out at the messenger than confront the reality. If they accept this, it means that the political home they've invested so much of their identity in, the movement they've championed for years, has become something so morally repugnant that accepting it feels like breaking their own brain. The cognitive dissonance is overwhelming.What's striking to me is the selective outrage. Many of these same people are quick to call everyone communists, often with little more than circumstantial evidence.Yet, when it comes to countless instances of glaringly obvious signs of fascism in their own movement, they either look away or attack those pointing it out."
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frm
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You will buy anything, won't you?
1500 weren't rioters, they were let in... and have served like 3 years in jail. You get like 30 days, max, after like your 10th 86 (trespass) in the county jail, if not just another citation. But, let's make 1500 people serve 3 years for 1 trespass incident; that seems fair. As far as the people (6) that might have assaulted officers, they were commuted, and they're still investigating whether their actions merit a full pardon or not.
And the policemen that died? I want to say that four were from suicide after Jan. 6 and two were natural causes after Jan. 6. If this was such a traumatic event for them, I don't know how they did their jobs before, either with military backgrounds or responding to domestic abuse calls, that might've been the root cause. But, let's blame it on PTSD from January 6. Give me a break. Those officers were going to break at some point, be it the next domestic violence call or stumbling on a gruesome crime scene, since they didn't get the help needed to prevent it.
Here's just one, you can research the others as I lost my graphic with their names and causes of death (suicide and natural causes, after the fact).
DOJ finds police officer’s suicide after Jan. 6 attack was a death in the line of duty
Jeffrey Smith's death resulted in legislation that allows families of officers who die by suicide following traumatic events to receive death benefits.
www.nbcnews.com
smallwheels
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Interesting description of what happened on Jan6th.
Apart from that: interesting how you desperately try to derail from the thread topic by nitpicking on the most irrelevant side-aspect of my posting while completely ignoring all the main aspects.
So, as you did not say otherwise you really do order tea in Japan using the Nazi-salutation?
frm
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Since the context of my post went over your head, here is a timeline of events that will help you out (it seems like you may have cognitive impairment of some sort if you believe all that you wrote, so I'll try my best to do this in chronological order for you; or, you just lack critical thinking skills to figure things out on your own, I'm not being judgy either way).
To that, I responded:
This is a reference to the United Kingdom, as that's where Chris D (and XenForo) work out of. This reply also means that you must hail a taxi at about a 45-degree angle "nazi salute" in Japan, or they will drive by, as I could only assume the drivers would believe you're pointing to someone else who may need a ride (straight out as depicted in the meme) or just pointing off in general, which a taxi driver does not have time to pull over and respond to since they work for very little as it is, and time is literally money for these guys here.
I then replied, putting it in a little bit better context, below. I wanted to make sure that Chris D (and XF) took it as a joke, because the United Kingdom loves their tea, as they essentially died for it, losing America in the process (ever heard of the Boston Tea Party? I thought not.).
Do you understand what I am saying now, or is it still lost on you?
Mr Lucky
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Nobody hails a cab with a nazi salute. You hail a cab by stretching your arm out more or less to the side as you are actually watching the oncoming tragic and your arm goes out sideways to give it full visibility to the can driver of any nation. If you did a nazi salute the oncoming traffic probably wouldn't see it to well (luckily for you).
First picture I could find of a cab being hailed in Japan it looks the same as we would do anywhere. Note:
- Arm slightly to the side not straight out towards the front
- There is a relaxed bend in the arm as if you are waving to someone or, er, hailing a cab. Unlike a nazi salute which in votes a very stiff arm. I bit like the image of Superman above but at a lower angle to the body.
smallwheels
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Exactly
As in Japan (as in the UK) people drive on the wrong side of the road you'd wave a taxis with your left arm whereas the Nazi-salutation is done with the right arm. So not only the gesture is not comparable, it is even done with the wrong arm as well.
So once more @frm has (pretty aggressively) used a very cheap strawman that obviously has not even the slightest bit of truth in it to try justify the Nazi behavior of Elon by this.
If this has been done deliberately or out of lack of historical knowledge or due to the mental mechanics layed out a couple of posts earlier through a quote from X is up to the observer
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MySiteGuy
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Almost every person still behind bars at the time of the pardons were violent offenders.
Of the people charged with January 6th events:
452 were charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers or employees.
123 were charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer.
140 police officers were assaulted on Jan. 6 at the Capitol, including about 80 from the U.S. Capitol Police and about 60 from the Metropolitan Police Department.
11 were charged with crimes related to assaulting a member of the media, or destroying their equipment.
116 charged with entering a restricted area with a dangerous or deadly weapon.
1,186 charged with entering or remaining in a restricted federal building or grounds.
71 charged with destruction of government property.
56 charged with theft of government property.
332 charged with corruptly obstructing, influencing, or impeding an official proceeding, or attempting to do so.
57 charged with conspiracy, either: (a) conspiracy to obstruct a congressional proceeding, (b) conspiracy to obstruct law enforcement during a civil disorder, (c) conspiracy to injure an officer, or (d) some combination of the three.
These include firearms related, molitov cocktails, illegal ammunition and feeding device charges.
It's reaching for the bottom of the barrel when you resort to smearing the officers in your effort to minimize what happened that day.
Rusty Snippets
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Only one person died on J6, an unarmed woman named Ashley Babbit. She was murdered by a rogue Capitol cop.
smallwheels
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British Ledbydonkeys together with German Politicalbeauty framed it pretty well at the Tesla Gigafactory in Berlin:
Teslas sales in Germany dropped by more than 40% in 2024 - partly because of the end of the subsidies, but the whole EV sales in Germany dropped only by 23%. Due to Elons behavior "Tesla shame" has started and after his latest series of stunts it is to be expected that these will negatively effect Tesla's sales in Germany. First companies have already said that they no longer accept Teslas as company cars.
Teslas sales in Germany dropped by more than 40% in 2024 - partly because of the end of the subsidies, but the whole EV sales in Germany dropped only by 23%. Due to Elons behavior "Tesla shame" has started and after his latest series of stunts it is to be expected that these will negatively effect Tesla's sales in Germany. First companies have already said that they no longer accept Teslas as company cars.
smallwheels
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Really?
"A shooting death: Ashli Babbitt, 35, of San Diego and an Air Force veteran, died on the day of the riot after being shot in the shoulder by a Capitol Police officer while protesters “were forcing their way toward the House Chamber where Members of Congress were sheltering in place,” according to a Jan. 7 statement from then-U.S. Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund.
In April, the Department of Justice announced that it would not pursue any charges against the Capitol Police officer who shot Babbitt.
According to the Justice Department release, “As members of the mob continued to strike the glass doors” outside the Speaker’s Lobby, which leads to the chamber of the U.S. House of Representatives, “Ms. Babbitt attempted to climb through one of the doors where glass was broken out. An officer inside the Speaker’s Lobby fired one round from his service pistol, striking Ms. Babbitt in the left shoulder, causing her to fall back from the doorway and onto the floor.”
The press release said the Justice Department’s investigation “revealed no evidence to establish that, at the time the officer fired a single shot at Ms. Babbitt, the officer did not reasonably believe that it was necessary to do so in self-defense or in defense of the Members of Congress and others evacuating the House Chamber.”
In August, U.S. Capitol Police said an internal investigation also cleared the officer who shot Babbitt of any wrongdoing."
How Many Died as a Result of Capitol Riot? - FactCheck.org
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol resulted in "almost 10 dead." Four people died that day, and five others -- all law enforcement officers -- died days, weeks and even months later. Here we lay out what is publicly known about the circumstances surrounding those...
www.factcheck.org
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