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I feel the difference between bold thread titles and non-bold thread titles is enough to distinguish between threads that have new/unread posts in them. I would stop using the "star" image (
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I don't see why you would take offense Floris. My comments are within my rights and from your previous reply you mention you couldn't tell the difference. I'm replying to the obvious. Purchase a laptop that suits your needs not one that looks cool. Personally, I don't expect you to sit back, I expect you to debate your argument more why you feel an icon should be present and I can follow up by telling you why I don't feel it should be there at all.

When it's all said and done whatever the devs decide, I'll be happy with. I put my argument over for the product to be better, not what only suits me because I would still quite like the look of the icon indicator that kier just implemented.

You know me floris, I'll press my case across. It's what suits the majority not the minority.

You are misreading what I said or haven't read at all what I said.

You're commenting in a ridiculous manner - something I did not expect from you.

How can you expect at least 51% of the XenForo customers to buy only the monitors that are calibrated by default to show the XF pages the best? And still claim you think about the majority.

I have monitors here from Apple and Dell, and Samsung, they are all not up to the Shelley standard then?

I am not forcing that a star should be there, or that it should not be there. I am commenting that it's harder to determine what's new content vs already read content, now that there's no visual support apart from bolded text.
 
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A classic case of you can't please all of the people all of the time...

Do me a favor, try to browse a webpage with your eyes closed using the built in screenreader supplied by your operating system, and tell me how easy/simple it is for you to navigate a site.

Ignoring people that have disabilities is just plain wrong, and there are a lot more then you would think.
 
What if the read links were a slightly lighter color, but the unread were darker in color in addition to the boldness?
 
If someone doesn't like the type of distinction, it doesn't matter if it's because their monitor isn't calibrated correctly. That is going to be out of the control of 95% of users (most won't do anything about it, despite being able to). It matters that he can't see it and that affects the speed/ease with which something can be done.

So back to the discussions please.
 
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Do me a favor, try to browse a webpage with your eyes closed using the built in screenreader supplied by your operating system, and tell me how easy/simple it is for you to navigate a site.

Ignoring people that have disabilities is just plain wrong, and there are a lot more then you would think.
I don't believe I ever said anything of the sort?!

I simply said there will never be a solution which everyone will be happy with.

I already said that if an image was going to be implemented then it should be floated right so it's always in the same place.
Having it where it was wouldn't help someone with their eyes closed as it would be in a different place on every thread.

I still don't understand what's wrong with the watched threads view for threads you've posted in which have received new replies.

The bubble and star icon IMO did not adequately serve the purpose of indicating a new reply.
It was more like an indication of threads you have posted in.
 
Don't question my laptop quality of lack thereof ...

I apologise if my comment in post #145 offended you. It was not my intention. I was simply trying to pinpoint why you are experiencing what you are experiencing.
 
An image is one of the few things that would actually work for someone with a sight disability.

A blind person can't see images, however screen readers will read out the alt attribute, telling them what it says.

Someone who has issues seeing, as in Floris' case, will have issues making out colors, font weight, and font style (From what he said). Styling in that manner is NOT a remedy.

This is a huge issue for a forum, because blind and disabled people DO use forums, and it is disgusting that people think its fine to ignore this and continue on with their own agenda.
 
OK this thread has gone off topic. Everyone calm down and get back on track, please. Thanks!
 
I guess the issue is that it'd still be a problem here, XenForo.com, when members have a hard time seeing new vs old threads, regardless of what we do on our own sites. Surely we don't want someone like Floris to have a hard time reading when he could be spending that time contributing ideas and such?
 
I find it harder to read now that the visual indicator is gone. That's my opinion, based on my observations of comparing it against the previous and current situation, and other pages. And in my situation, as many others (and regardless of quality of eye sight) I can experience and imagine, that being a less of an improvement over the previous situation which had that addressed.

If the devs decided to drop the star, that's fine. I can always manually add it back via a template. However my argument is: If people don't want the star, they can do that too, manually remove it via a template edit.

Small font is fine, but differentiate between content_type in the row, such as change of color of the timestamp vs the forum name. But it seems to be even lighter now, I have asked around and others said they find it hard to read too.

User Experience meeting User Interface is always difficult. But combining elements together, or increasing white space too much, results in situations that in the long run (I like to believe that at least) to be either ignored by the end-user because they can't comfortably see it anyway, or an annoyance.

In this case, lack of visual indicators.
 
When you are within a thread, on posts that you have not read a box appears on the right with "new" (as text). This is styled to look like an icon.

Why can we just not have this ? - good visual indicator and good for the visually impared / screen reader users as it is text.

my 2 cents.
 
I'm sure that color isn't helpful much to Floris ;p.

I can barely make it out myself at work.

Also, the indicator doesn't need to be text, an image works as well too (Screen readers like JAWS [Primary screen reader for Windows], read alt text as well).
 
I think we need a trophy for people who start threads that get more than, say, 179 replies. :p /offtopic
 
I'm sure that color isn't helpful much to Floris ;p.

I can barely make it out myself at work.

It is styled via the CSS - you can make it look how you want - the point is to provide a function to identify the presence of new posts.

If you really wanted forum owners could, if they wished, style it so that they hide the text and show a shiny dancing icon waving a "hi, i've got new posts" banner.

Therefore this is a solution to both issues.
 
I'd personally like a icon/picture of some description as it does make things easier to see. Having now seen the bold in action I like the bold but don't think it's quite enough. Maybe someone can come up with some little icon that's not a star, that sits to the left of the thread to highlight it quicker. I'm not sure I'm making any sense here lol.

(also the thread forums in the what's new section are almost impossible for me to read easily)
 




Ontopic: I find it harder to read now that the visual indicator is gone. That's my opinion, based on my observations of comparing it against the previous and current situation, and other pages. And in my situation, as many others (and regardless of quality of eye sight) I can experience and imagine, that being a less of an improvement over the previous situation which had that addressed.



I think the entire style needs a rework. For those of us that are "older", the existing style is difficult to read in places.
 
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