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TheBigK said:
Settlement? So it could be -KAM joining IB and IB announces that XF 1.2 will be released (with few added features) as vBulletin 5
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(n) 100% zero chance, especially the first part. This is impossible for many many many reasons.

[4]. vB5 is a total disaster and all the vB customers move to Xenforo.

IB will run vB into the ground. A bloated corporation will not do well running forum software.
 
digitalpoint said:
Lol... and the 10-15 developers vBSI that have been working on vB5 for 1-2 years now have been sitting around doing nothing I'm sure... all part of a secret ploy to hide the fact they were acquiring XenForo. :)
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I sure hope that they've been doing something... at the very least reading the feedback from 3rd-party coders & style creators about what went wrong with vB4 from their perspective.
 
digitalpoint said:
Lol... and the 10-15 developers vBSI that have been working on vB5 for 1-2 years now have been sitting around doing nothing I'm sure... all part of a secret ploy to hide the fact they were acquiring XenForo. :)
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Well lets say as a joke that vBulletin would get Xenforo code can vBulletin maintain the same quality as KAM.
 
Ace said:
It's really not harming the vB brand at all. Take a step outside this site, and you'll notice the number of people complaining about it is minimal (minimal enough that the chance of any random person shopping for forum software has either not heard of the case, or doesn't care about it.).
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The VB brand is absolutely tarnished, which VB did completely themselves with VB4.x and have continued to do with their customer service and pretty much they lost touch with their users and gave them what they think they wanted, not what they wanted.

Xenforo then appeared some time later, after which many had already jumped ship to IPB. When Xenforo appeared, then more jumped ship from both VB and IPB to Xenforo, and if you take a look at the VB trend from Google compared to XF, you will see a steady decline from VB and a steady incline to XF.

Branding is not for the world to know about, it is for those in the hunt for a forum product. You have two types, those with little to no budget (thus free software) and those with a budget who want commercial grade software. You pretty much have had two to choose from in that later category, VB or IPB. Now there are three. Thus branding is only relevant to those seeking commercial grade software, and when one does a quick Google search and some reading prior to buying, which most do nowadays, you will quickly find the three primary brands now and a substantial price difference. You will also quickly find both VB and IPB are server intensive softwares and will cost $$$ to run any type of board that starts to have 100k or posts or more. There are actual shared hosts that stopped allowing VB4.x to be installed on their server due to how much of a hog it was with resources.

To say VB don't have substantial branding issues is a complete denial of fact at this present time.
 
Anthony Parsons said:
The VB brand is absolutely tarnished, which VB did completely themselves with VB4.x and have continued to do with their customer service and pretty much they lost touch with their users and gave them what they think they wanted, not what they wanted.
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Believe that if you may.
vB still has plenty of fans out there.
 
I just looked at the ForumCon website, and the list of Media Partners.

AdminForums, AdminTalk, AdminExtra and AdminForum ... all running XF.
 
And XF, in a stroke of marketing genius, has no presence at forumcon and is allowing vBulletin to completely take it over. Smoooooooooth.
 
Joeychgo said:
And XF, in a stroke of marketing genius, has no presence at forumcon and is allowing vBulletin to completely take it over. Smoooooooooth.
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Who says vBulletin is completely taking it over? Realize too, vbulletin is a TAD bit closer to San Fran than the XenForo team. Smoooooooooooooooooooth response though.
 
Joeychgo said:
And XF, in a stroke of marketing genius, has no presence at forumcon and is allowing vBulletin to completely take it over. Smoooooooooth.
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Because at the end of the day ForumCon actually has some impact somewhere?

Kier was suppose to be there last year, but cancelled. The convention was also not really worth going to from what I've heard from the people who have gone.
 
Forum con doesn't really look like much......a day of seminars?

Small companies like XF benefit much better from Guerilla Marketing. A question to ask yourself would be whether most small webmasters seeking paid forum software would run into Xenforo when shopping for their next package? I say yes...in most cases.

Now...if you ask me...if I was on XF marketing team, I'd be playing up stuff like this BIG TIME:
http://www.forum-software.org/

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If four words could sum up the feeling we have using XenForo, they would probably be: "XenForo is absolutely outstanding!". I were positively surprised by all the small things making the user experience fun and efficient, while being able to mask the complexity by using new web standards and a very nice ergonomy"
 
craigiri said:
Forum con doesn't really look like much......a day of seminars?

Small companies like XF benefit much better from Guerilla Marketing. A question to ask yourself would be whether most small webmasters seeking paid forum software would run into Xenforo when shopping for their next package? I say yes...in most cases.

Now...if you ask me...if I was on XF marketing team, I'd be playing up stuff like this BIG TIME:
http://www.forum-software.org/

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If four words could sum up the feeling we have using XenForo, they would probably be: "XenForo is absolutely outstanding!". I were positively surprised by all the small things making the user experience fun and efficient, while being able to mask the complexity by using new web standards and a very nice ergonomy"
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And that is where I found and became interested in Xenforo, which I had never heard of before.
A simple search for "forum software."
http://www.forum-software.org/forum-comparator/ipboard-vs-phpbb3-vs-vbulletin4-vs-xenforo
 
Says it all about branding based on user popularity and the shift that is slowly, progressively occurring, thus making XF a viable forward product once this lawsuit is in the past:

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Hm.. if you ask me, you shouldn't take these reviews on forum-software.org that seriously. I mean how can such crappy software like phpBB have only a half star less than XenForo? phpBB is not in the same league as any commercial forum software and yet it recieved the same rating as the clearly superior Burning Board and even a better rating than vBulletin 3.8 oÔ
 
Luxus said:
Hm.. if you ask me, you shouldn't take these reviews on forum-software.org that seriously. I mean how can such crappy software like phpBB have only a half star less than XenForo? phpBB is not in the same league as any commercial forum software and yet it recieved the same rating as the clearly superior Burning Board and even a better rating than vBulletin 3.8 oÔ
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As Anthony said, based on user popularity.
Anthony Parsons said:
Says it all about branding based on user popularity and the shift that is slowly, progressively occurring, thus making XF a viable forward product once this lawsuit is in the past:
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I haven't used phpBB in years, but I wouldn't classify it as crappy.
 
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