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we_are_borg said:
Well lets say as a joke that vBulletin would get Xenforo code can vBulletin maintain the same quality as KAM.
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Ah...no code without the coders, kind of like Rosemary's baby, "Rosemary" goes with the kid. It's her baby even if she has to live with the Devil, no expense would be spared in the accommodations.
 
digitalpoint said:
Lol... and the 10-15 developers vBSI that have been working on vB5 for 1-2 years now have been sitting around doing nothing I'm sure... all part of a secret ploy to hide the fact they were acquiring XenForo. :)
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Hedging their bets.

10-15? And XenForo was written by 2 in equal time? Hey...hire THOSE guys...back.
 
Joeychgo said:
And XF, in a stroke of marketing genius, has no presence at forumcon and is allowing vBulletin to completely take it over. Smoooooooooth.
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The vB suit is to prevent competition by forcing them to use their resources for lawyers vs. things like marketing. And if it's Door No. 1, XenForo will be taking over ForumCon.com.
 
If the guys get a settlement offer that frees them from continues legal fees and secures their families' futures, then good for them. I'd be disappointed in the situation, but not in them. This is a business, after all, and their goal is to support their families. Producing great software is a means to that end, not the end itself.
 
Fred Sherman said:
This is a business, after all, and their goal is to support their families. Producing great software is a means to that end, not the end itself.
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They might be following their passion and feeling lucky they make a living at it. Which makes producing great software an end to a means. They can't stop doing, don't want to stop doing, would do it no matter what. The life of Jobs.

That doesn't preclude getting big payoff from vB and agreeing to make even more money making great software continuing to develop XenForo under whatever name.

Internet Brands main business is running forums, buying vB was a case of vertical integration for them. They screwed up in not going with Plan A (vB4.0 aka Xenforo). OK...they fix the mistake. Wouldn't Internet Brands save a LOT of money on its forum business side but using XenForo? It would save even more money not having to develop vB5 and using XenForo as the upgrade path.
 
Personally I'm hoping they settle and they get on with this. IB has no legs to stand on in a case. The only way they might beat KAM is by drawing it out into a costly fiasco and breaking the finances of Xenforo Ltd before the case reaches verdict. I highly doubt VB5 will be xenforo, and IB would aqquire xenforo. I'd be annoyed - but it wouldn't be the end for me. Xenforo is still superior software and I don't care who owns it as long as it A) Continues to live and B) is developed by the genius that made it - that being KAM. Hope the 12th brings some good news.
 
Cal said:
Personally I'm hoping they settle and they get on with this. IB has no legs to stand on in a case. The only way they might beat KAM is by drawing it out into a costly fiasco and breaking the finances of Xenforo Ltd before the case reaches verdict. I highly doubt VB5 will be xenforo, and IB would aqquire xenforo. I'd be annoyed - but it wouldn't be the end for me. Xenforo is still superior software and I don't care who owns it as long as it A) Continues to live and B) is developed by the genius that made it - that being KAM. Hope the 12th brings some good news.
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If vB purchased XenForo but parted ways with the developers who created it, I'd probably go with IPBoard or my knowledgeable friends push for WordPress/BuddyPress.

If the XenForo team continues to be the vision and expertise behind the product even if it moves to vB, I'd go with XenForo by any other name.
 
My problem with IPB is it's as dead, if not more dead that the VB community. IPB and VB are at the end of their ropes lol. That's why I came here in the first place. Used both softwares and noted both to be sinking ships.
 
Cal said:
My problem with IPB is it's as dead, if not more dead that the VB community. IPB and VB are at the end of their ropes lol. That's why I came here in the first place. Used both softwares and noted both to be sinking ships.
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That's good information.

Though at my low level, it would probably not be an issue. Key is ability to migrate. XenForo to IPB is possible so that makes XenForo a safe choice.
 
we_are_borg said:
I would not be supprised if the law suit was dropped in a few months time. vBulletin needs to consider their position in the end.
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I'm almost certain it can't be dropped by vB. You go past a certain stange, and they have caused so much expense and damage that the courts won't let them just drop it. One of the legal experts will be able to confirm this.
 
HWS said:
No offense, but if I were Mike, Kier or Ashley, I would not let you make such a statement at my official company board. IF this scenario will ever be happen, it will harm the legal proceedings if an company employee (and as a moderator you are such one) had make that statement in public before.
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Slavik said:
As stated many times, as a mod here we don't know any more than any of you guys. All we do is keep the peace and try to tidy things up here and there. We don't know anything extra on XenForos devlopment, anything about the lawsuit, KAMS personal lives or the business.

We are just as freely allowed to speculate, spitball or form conspiracy theories as much as the next person ;)
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Hmm. Interesting, as I understand what point HWS is trying to make: I think lots of people will see a Moderator as a company employee, although it's a non-paid job and -apparently- you don't have any insights/ 'official' business relation (difficult to express this in English as it's not my main language) into the company itself... people will perceive you as a 'spokesperson' for the company nonetheless and getting involved into conspiracy theories when you have a Moderator role doesn't quite do the company any good, one would think? Obviously you meant your remark as tongue-in-cheek (hence your ;)), but still I was a little surprised by it.

But thanks for explaining, it's now more clear to me what relation a Moderator has with Xenforo Ltd.
 
Grover said:
Hmm. Interesting, as I understand what point HWS is trying to make: I think lots of people will see a Moderator as a company employee, although it's a non-paid job and -apparently- you don't have any insights/ 'official' business relation (difficult to express this in English as it's not my main language) into the company itself... people will perceive you as a 'spokesperson' for the company nonetheless and getting involved into conspiracy theories when you have a Moderator role doesn't quite do the company any good, one would think? Obviously you meant your remark as tongue-in-cheek (hence your ;)), but still I was a little surprised by it.

But thanks for explaining, it's now more clear to me what relation a Moderator has with Xenforo Ltd.
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The only official spokespeople for XenForo are KAM, now yes, whilst people may perceive us Mod's to be also, and as such we tend to be a little more careful in how we present our opinions to make sure they arn't conveyed as fact, we don't hold anymore information than whats publicly available.

Besides, I think HWS has taken things out of context, my post was in reply to another post which bade it seem like the only 2 options were doom and gloom. I was just pointing out there is always another options, even if you don't see it yet!

Now yea if you read my post on its own, it may seem like a pretty brash thing to say, but when put into context as a reply and an opinion to another post its a pretty benign comment.
 
steven s said:
Luxus said:
Hm.. if you ask me, you shouldn't take these reviews on forum-software.org that seriously. I mean how can such crappy software like phpBB have only a half star less than XenForo? phpBB is not in the same league as any commercial forum software and yet it recieved the same rating as the clearly superior Burning Board and even a better rating than vBulletin 3.8 oÔ
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As Anthony said, based on user popularity.

I haven't used phpBB in years, but I wouldn't classify it as crappy.
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User ratings and the staff rating are separated. I was refering to the staff rating only.
 
Grover said:
Hmm. Interesting, as I understand what point HWS is trying to make: I think lots of people will see a Moderator as a company employee, although it's a non-paid job and -apparently- you don't have any insights/ 'official' business relation (difficult to express this in English as it's not my main language) into the company itself... people will perceive you as a 'spokesperson' for the company nonetheless and getting involved into conspiracy theories when you have a Moderator role doesn't quite do the company any good, one would think? Obviously you meant your remark as tongue-in-cheek (hence your ;)), but still I was a little surprised by it.
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This is exactly what I was told when I was asked to be a moderator here. I was a "spokesperson", of sorts, for the company, and had to watch what I said at all times.
That is as it should be.
 
Peggy said:
This is exactly what I was told when I was asked to be a moderator here. I was a "spokesperson", of sorts, for the company, and had to watch what I said at all times.
That is as it should be.
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That can be very difficult. I post on a forums as a member and employee.
I need to phrase things very carefully and even then people take things out of context.
 
BGL said:
If vB purchased XenForo but parted ways with the developers who created it, I'd probably go with IPBoard or my knowledgeable friends push for WordPress/BuddyPress.
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If that occurred, my boards would remain as they stand right now, never giving another cent to Xenforo if it was owned by VB / IB. I would likely wait around to see if Kier and Mike ever designed something new again or if IPB recoded to be lighter and more server friendly, as well as intuitive as what XF is.

Outside of that, revert back to first sentence.
 
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