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The best way of taking over the world is doing it slowly. If someone suddenly says you're forbidden to do anything except with special permission, a lot of people would rebel. If you over the years slowly take away a permission, or give yourself slightly more power... slowly expand everyones limites by a little at a time.. by the time you reach the same point, most people will have accepted it and no one will rebel.

Had 20 years ago something like this turned up, people would have been outraged, I imagine. Nowadays it's barely enough to keep some people on the internet interested about the subject.
 
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I guess it depends on what you mean by "accept it".

I think most Americans accept it because they are scared. If they aren't already scared, they will be scared after they finish listening to the "entertainer" on the radio or TV, or visiting some internet sites. Humans can no more avoid fear than they can ice cream, so about the same percentage as like a good cone will be OK with this type of program.

In my case, I understand that we live in a place where, in general, the VAST majority rules. That means I must accept - to a degree - what the majority legislate. I prefer to spend my time striking at the root cause - which is the tendencies of Americans toward violent solutions toward problems as well as their idea that they have to "fight" to always be "first". Heck if I know what first means, since we are like #37 in health care, etc....

With any issues such as this, it does come down to what one can do about it. Brits seem fairly comfortable with knowing that hi-res cameras are following their every move. I don't see 100's of thousands of them on the streets - do they trust their government? How about other countries?
 
Sador said:
The best way of taking over the world is doing it slowly. If someone suddenly says you're forbidden to do anything except with special permission, a lot of people would rebel. If you over the years slowly take away a permission, or give yourself slightly more power... slowly expand everyones limites by a little at a time.. by the time you reach the same point, most people will have accepted it and no one will rebel.

Had 20 years ago something like this turned up, people would have been outraged, I imagine. Nowadays it's barely enough to keep some people on the internet interested about the subject.
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The attention span of the average citizen is a lot less these days. This "just about" became yesterday's new a few days after it broke. And in some ways the media and social networks play a part in that.

When something is in your face 24 /7, most people easily grow tired of it & don't take the time to really do any in-depth analysis. And so they look past it, forget about it, and generally just accept it as the world they live in.

Society in some ways has been socially engineered. We're at the point where government can mildly safely move forward quicker then they did once before.
 
craigiri said:
I guess it depends on what you mean by "accept it".

I think most Americans accept it because they are scared. If they aren't already scared, they will be scared after they finish listening to the "entertainer" on the radio or TV, or visiting some internet sites. Humans can no more avoid fear than they can ice cream, so about the same percentage as like a good cone will be OK with this type of program.

In my case, I understand that we live in a place where, in general, the VAST majority rules. That means I must accept - to a degree - what the majority legislate. I prefer to spend my time striking at the root cause - which is the tendencies of Americans toward violent solutions toward problems as well as their idea that they have to "fight" to always be "first". Heck if I know what first means, since we are like #37 in health care, etc....

With any issues such as this, it does come down to what one can do about it. Brits seem fairly comfortable with knowing that hi-res cameras are following their every move. I don't see 100's of thousands of them on the streets - do they trust their government? How about other countries?
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Our desire for comfort and not recognizing the larger fear will be our undoing. In many ways it was Rome's and Germany's as well. The people in both cases (in both times) wanted not to have to face something that was coming at them head on and retreated in their comforts.
 
There's a couple of problems with taking action vs letting it be, even when you're against it.

First of all, it's simpler to do nothing than to take a stand for something you believe in. This alone stops most people from going against anything that requires any sort of action or effort.

Secondly, people feel like they're just one person, small and insignificant. What am I going to do against the government, against child labor or aids in Africa?

Thirdly, there's the reactions of other people. Taking a stance leaves you vulnerable to attacks from other people. Just watch this thread and how people interact.

Fourthly, people lack information. And the information they get, may or may not be objective and true. The less information people they have, the less they can do about it. Even if they hear this story and want to put an end to it, they don't know which parts are true. Who's behind it? Who can they rally to help them?

Lastly, people who do end up trying to stop it, may put themselves in danger. Even if it isn't in physical sense, they're still in danger to lose everything they have, be put in jail, or whatever. This scares a lot of people off, because well... who would want that, without any guarantees?

It's a lot easier to join a group than to start one. Unfortunately, to join one someone must first have started one..
 
Sador said:
There's a couple of problems with taking action vs letting it be, even when you're against it.

First of all, it's simpler to do nothing than to take a stand for something you believe in. This alone stops most people from going against anything that requires any sort of action or effort.

Secondly, people feel like they're just one person, small and insignificant. What am I going to do against the government, against child labor or aids in Africa?

Thirdly, there's the reactions of other people. Taking a stance leaves you vulnerable to attacks from other people. Just watch this thread and how people interact.

Fourthly, people lack information. And the information they get, may or may not be objective and true. The less information people they have, the less they can do about it. Even if they hear this story and want to put an end to it, they don't know which parts are true. Who's behind it? Who can they rally to help them?

Lastly, people who do end up trying to stop it, may put themselves in danger. Even if it isn't in physical sense, they're still in danger to lose everything they have, be put in jail, or whatever. This scares a lot of people off, because well... who would want that, without any guarantees?

It's a lot easier to join a group than to start one. Unfortunately, to join one someone must first have started one..
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I agree and it's a vicious cycle which needs to come to an end. But I fear society, even just humanity, needs to grow up more before that can happen.

The generation before me, my generation, and even the next generation keep on asking, when are "they" going to do anything. They is us, we are them. But most people don't yet understand that or take the responsibility of it. So they look to the future generation to come and hope that "they" get it right & do better then the ones before them. Problem with that is the world is f*cked up by then. The time is always now to do something, not wait for tomorrow.

It's a vicious cycle. It does not seem to have an end.
 
Sheldon said:
Mr. Howard, instead of posting on a forum about it, do something.
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Mike Edge said:
he has with his 100+ installs for Anonymous :D
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Actually, now that you mention it.... I do and I have.

For starters, I educate and inform the unaware & unsuspecting individual. Having worked for the government myself, I've also spoken out about the things it has done and likely is still doing.

I also provide a website, where any and all content is allowed, including whistle blowing & government document; perhaps you've seen the link; SociallyUncensored.eu In the past we've had news and information on before main stream media.

I actually was one of the first people part of Occupy Wall Street, before the the news media even said boo about it and people like your sorry *** could demoralize it and troll about it.

I with the help of a few individuals remotely hacked a few 3rd world government, disabled their defense and communications network, and watched as woman and children were freely able to escape with their lives.

When I was younger I once was part of (work with) The United Nations. I had the foolish ambitions and hopes that it would be something worth while to bring the world together & peaceful way to serve my country. Ironically I learned that it's something you learn you don't put on your resume, because the typical response is this;

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Locally, I also help out the local soup kitchen. There are two of them in my general area. I don't just donate food there, but I also take the time to reach out to people & pitch in.

I'm also part of the meals on wheels, which is a program that helps elderly people by stopping by their house, spending a little time with them, giving them a hot meal, and sometimes I'll even go beyond & do a little trip here or there for someone, including giving them a ride (both ways).

And finally, I spend time at my local library reading to children and teaching underprivileged children how to read.

So... What are doing to better the world, my friend?
 
Hahaha. Are you trying to convince me or yourself you do all that? Hahaha.

To script like for me.

It is funny though Adam, you always have the answers, you always have done everything and anything thought of or done.
 
Sheldon said:
Hahaha. Are you trying to convince me or yourself you do all that? Hahaha.

To script like for me.

It is funny though Adam, you always have the answers, you always have done everything and anything thought of or done.
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You're just as funny to me. So it's all good. :ROFLMAO:

I've never said I've done everything or have all the answers. I simply may have done more than you, who sit idle by a computer screen trolling. :coffee:
 
The xF Saint, Sir Adam Howard.

Oh, and your replies continually show us you have done everything. Any question ever asked here, you have dealt with, been part of, figured out, etc.

That is comedy. Call it trolling by me.... I can live with that. (y)
 
Sheldon said:
The xF Saint, Sir Adam Howard.

Oh, and your replies continually show us you have done everything. Any question ever asked here, you have dealt with, been part of, figured out, etc.

That is comedy. Call it trolling by me.... I can live with that. (y)
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Yes, it is comedy. Everything comment I make on here.... Between you & SneakyDave seem to have a follow up. I'm glad that I give your life meaning.

You still have avoided the question though.... What have you done to make the world a better place?
 
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