About Add-on Shares

[netr0n]

"Addon authors didn't give us permission to re-host add-ons, then we looked for validation from the company, and when they did not give it to us, we're going to threaten to sue them if they enforce the license terms we are violating."

I'm not entirely sure I follow your logic here...

I'm going to assume you aren't actually this dense and you're just playing dumb, but:
http://info.legalzoom.com/copyright-laws-freeware-shareware-23060.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_copyright

Etc.

A basic Google search would tell you that you are wrong.


Fillip

You give an example without reading the law.

I say Xenforo is not a court. If you have an add-on and this add-on is shared by you, the complaint will complain to the courts, not to XenForo.com. It's not Xenforo's responsibility, it's your plugin. Therefore, for your sake, you can not suspend your XenForo license. Cause it can not show someone else's license. I would recommend to learn a little ban. No forum software is such a ridiculous application. Nobody can punish a prisoner.

Sample licensing rules shown. Includes licensed and freely distributed software. So if you do not have a license, you can not claim anything.

Please do not talk without knowing it.

Our goal is not to argue, but to protect our support sites. We recognize you in our own countries. Instead of honoring you are complaining.

We are not warez sites. We are the support site that promotes your add-ons to people. I condemn the sanction imposed on us. Did you understand?

 

[alexD]

As said previously, it must explicitly be stated by the copyright owner if they wish their work to be distributed.

A useful website to investigate software licenses is TLDRLegal. It won't make you a lawyer, but seeing some examples might clear a thing or two up.

 

[Ozzy47]

Bottom line is you can not redistribute anyone's work without their permission, and XenForo can take any action they find necessary as stated in the licensing agreement.

 

[DragonByte Tech]

You give an example without reading the law.

You spout legal nonsense that has no basis in actual law.

Sample licensing rules shown. Includes licensed and freely distributed software. So if you do not have a license, you can not claim anything.

https://choosealicense.com/no-permission/

When you make a creative work (which includes code), the work is under exclusive copyright by default. Unless you include a license that specifies otherwise, nobody else can use, copy, distribute, or modify your work without being at risk of take-downs, shake-downs, or litigation.

Do you understand these words? If not, allow me to clarify with an example:

This is a modification I made: https://xenforo.com/community/resources/dbtech-preview-last-post.5598/

I made this.

I own the rights to that code.

You do not have any right to do anything with that code.

If I tell you "no, you can not download this code and upload it somewhere else" and you do it anyway, you are breaking copyright law.

The XenForo license agreement tells you "if you break copyright law using your XenForo license, we can remove the license from you."

The reason for this is the fact that if you did not have the XenForo license, you would be unable to break the law.

XenForo is protecting the rights of content creators (add-on developers) by stopping you from breaking the law with whatever means they have available.

This is a good thing.

If you do not like that, please stop using XenForo.

I say Xenforo is not a court. If you have an add-on and this add-on is shared by you, the complaint will complain to the courts, not to XenForo.com. It is not Xenforo's responsibility, but you are an addendum. Therefore, for your sake, you can not suspend your XenForo license. Cause it can not show someone else's license. I would recommend to learn a little ban. No forum software is such a ridiculous application. Nobody can punish a prisoner.

No. This is not correct.

Every software company will revoke your license if you use the license to break the law.

When you purchase a license, you do not own the software.

You have purchased the right to use the software.

This right can be taken away from you if you break the rules.

If you tried to take XenForo to court for enforcing its licensing agreement, do you honestly believe you would win?

"Hello judge, I broke the law and the company took away my license. Can I have it back?"

We are not warez sites. We are the support site that introduces your plugins to people. I condemn you to apply to us. Did you understand?

If you break copyright law, you are warez sites.

Also, as a side-note: I don't think any addon developer wants customers who do not understand copyright and licensing law.

I say to you your own words:

Please do not talk without knowing it.

Because you are talking without knowing it.


Fillip

 

[Ozzy47]

Because you are talking without knowing it.

That is painfully obvious, shame people try to defend breaking the rules/law.

 

[netr0n]

You spout legal nonsense that has no basis in actual law.

https://choosealicense.com/no-permission/


Do you understand these words? If not, allow me to clarify with an example:

This is a modification I made: https://xenforo.com/community/resources/dbtech-preview-last-post.5598/

I made this.

I own the rights to that code.

You do not have any right to do anything with that code.

If I tell you "no, you can not download this code and upload it somewhere else" and you do it anyway, you are breaking copyright law.

The XenForo license agreement tells you "if you break copyright law using your XenForo license, we can remove the license from you."

The reason for this is the fact that if you did not have the XenForo license, you would be unable to break the law.

XenForo is protecting the rights of content creators (add-on developers) by stopping you from breaking the law with whatever means they have available.

This is a good thing.

If you do not like that, please stop using XenForo.


No. This is not correct.

Every software company will revoke your license if you use the license to break the law.

When you purchase a license, you do not own the software.

You have purchased the right to use the software.

This right can be taken away from you if you break the rules.

If you tried to take XenForo to court for enforcing its licensing agreement, do you honestly believe you would win?

"Hello judge, I broke the law and the company took away my license. Can I have it back?"

If you break copyright law, you are warez sites.

Also, as a side-note: I don't think any addon developer wants customers who do not understand copyright and licensing law.

I say to you your own words:

Because you are talking without knowing it.

License complaint place xenforo company? Or is it the courts?

Even if your software is free, you should get a license. XenForo Company does not undertake to license your software and you may not create a license through XenForo.

Could you send me the license documentation for your software?

 

[Ozzy47]

For reference for those that do not understand:

"You are solely responsible for ensuring that Your Content and Your use of the Software complies with all applicable legislation and regulations, including but not limited to all applicable Data Protection and Privacy legislation. You undertake to ensure that the Software is not used by You or others to engage in illegal activity. You may not use the software to engage in any activity that would violate the rights of third parties."

There is where XenForo can revoke your license if you redistribute addons breaking copyright laws.

 

[netr0n]

That is painfully obvious, shame people try to defend breaking the rules/law.

What kind of plug-in do you react so much? We do not know you. 95% of the extensions shared here are paid. We are a support site and not a warez site. Please pay attention to your words.

 

[Ozzy47]

Also for reference, so it can not be further claimed that the clause was added recently.

October 6th 2010 https://web.archive.org/web/20101006201459/https://xenforo.com/license-agreement/

October 8th 2011 https://web.archive.org/web/20101006201459/https://xenforo.com/license-agreement/

October 12th 2012 https://web.archive.org/web/20121012064933/https://xenforo.com/license-agreement/

I could go on but point has been made. The licensing agreement has been around almost eight years and is pretty clear.

 

[Ozzy47]

hat kind of plug-in do you react so much

Any addon you redistribute without the authors permission.

 

[netr0n]

@DragonByte Tech @ozzy47

We announce that thousands of our XenForo users in our country have removed our language support from the add-ons that these two friends have released and we will no longer support them. If there are other add-ons that do not want support, if we let them know, we will remove them on our language support.

 

[Ozzy47]

If there are other add-on owners who do not want support, write them out on our site with our language support removed.

Remove any addons you have hosted on the site that you do not have permission to redistribute, simple fix.

 

[Emre]

@ozzy47 , So you are saying; My plugins will not be published on any site? (xenForo.com excluding)

 

[Martok]

@netr0n - any software, including free, is copyright protected.

Here is another explanation of what copyright means:

(I've emboldened text to highlight important points)

You automatically get copyright protection when you create:

• original non-literary written work, such as software, web content and databases

You can mark your work with the copyright symbol (©), your name and the year of creation. Whether you mark the work or not doesn’t affect the level of protection you have.

How copyright protects your work
Copyright prevents people from:

• copying your work
• distributing copies of it, whether free of charge or for sale
• renting or lending copies of your work
• performing, showing or playing your work in public
• making an adaptation of your work
• putting it on the internet

https://www.gov.uk/copyright
Note that although this is copyright in the UK, note that it references international treaties including the Bern Convention, so it applies in other countries too.


So an author does not need to include any licensing with their software (though it is wise to do so) for it to be subject to copyright laws.

It is clear from this that you cannot put anyone's software on your site without their explicit permission. If you do, you are breaking the law. If you do, then it states in the XenForo license agreement that you agreed to when you chose to use the software:

You undertake to ensure that the Software is not used by You or others to engage in illegal activity. You may not use the software to engage in any activity that would violate the rights of third parties. You hereby agree to indemnify Us from any loss or damage arising from Your breach of this provision.

XenForo Limited reserves the right to revoke Your License to use the Software should any of the terms of this Agreement be violated.

https://xenforo.com/license-agreement/


So in a nutshell, remove all software from third parties from your site unless these third party authors have explicitly told you that you can publish it on your site (or there is a license agreement in the software which explicitly states that it can be redistributed without permission). Failure to do so may have repercussions for you and your use of XenForo software should the developers choose to pursue this, which they would be entitled to do.

 

[netr0n]

Remove any addons you have hosted on the site that you do not have permission to redistribute, simple fix.

We did not find a plugin for you on our site. We do not already know you

 

[Ernest L. Defoe]

We did not find a plugin for you on our site. We do not already know you

It doesn’t matter if they are an addon developer or not or if you had one of their addons on your site or not. They are trying to inform you that even though you think you’re in the right you’re actually not and @ozzy47 is trying to inform you that you mistaken.

Now making language packs in your native language for said addons and hosting those on your site that’s fine but hosting the addons themselves isn’t.

 

[RobParker]

If there are other add-ons that do not want support, if we let them know, we will remove them on our language support.

You can't have it as an opt-out. Copyright law means it must be opt-in. You need permission from the addon authors. You can't say that you'll do it unless they ask you not to.

 

[Ozzy47]

@ozzy47 , So you are saying; My plugins will not be published on any site? (xenForo.com excluding)

No, they might be. If you find a site doing so without your permission, ask them to remove them and report the site.

 

[Ozzy47]

We did not find a plugin for you on our site. We do not already know you

I do not care who you know or do not know. You are breaking copyright laws by redistributing people’s addons without their written consent.

 

[RobParker]

There's clearly also a language barrier here so I guess we all have to be aware/considerate to that and big long posts arguing are probably not the way to go. Short, clear, unambiguous sentences will hopefully get the message across.