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XF 1.4 XenForo Copyright with target="_blank" is legal? how?

Discussion in 'XenForo Questions and Support' started by rafass, Dec 31, 2014.

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  1. rafass

    rafass Well-Known Member

    I would like that the link of the copyright open in a new window.
    It's ok?... how can I do that? or the simple target="_blank" is not permit?
    Thanks for your replies, really appreciate it.
  2. Brogan

    Brogan XenForo Moderator Staff Member

    As per the terms of the license, you are not permitted to alter the copyright in any way.
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  3. rafass

    rafass Well-Known Member

    @Brogan I imagined that would be the answer...
    but is ok change the position, change the color, add other copyrights around...right?
  4. Brogan

    Brogan XenForo Moderator Staff Member

    You can alter the styling and position but the copyright text and link cannot be changed.
    It must also remain clearly visible, so no altering the colour to match or be similar to the background.

    You can use the extra_copyright phrase to add your own copyright.
  5. rafass

    rafass Well-Known Member

    I'm customising my theme and I like the dark colors,
    Note that nothing is beign altered in the copyright. absolutely nothing.
    so, Something like this is ok then?:
    Sorry for my questions, I just don't want to broke the laws..
    Last edited: Dec 31, 2014
  6. Brogan

    Brogan XenForo Moderator Staff Member

    That would not be permitted.

    The text should not fade in and out like that.
  7. rafass

    rafass Well-Known Member

    I'm a little confused, because as I said I'm not altering anything in the copyright.
    You said "You can alter the styling" and thats what I´m doing. (in the theme)
    The policies then should have some kind of table with the accepted relation-tolerance between font-colors / backgrounds.. 0.O
    Because now I don't know what is the perfect color..

    or this?

    or this is perfect?

    I'll go ahead with my customisation, and I will not disturb more with this weird questions. (I'm very sorry)
    I'll buy 2 or 3 licences more the next year for some projects I'm thinking. I'm very happy with xenForo. (It's fantastic)
    If in my side there are something wrong, please let me know. I'm willing to made all the necessary changes to satisfied the policies and agreements of the licence.
    Happy new year, my best wishes to everyone in 2015! (y)
  8. Brogan

    Brogan XenForo Moderator Staff Member

    Having the text fade in and out so it is at times not visible is clearly not acceptable, based on my previous comments.
    I'm not sure how you could ever have assumed it would be.

    Of the three images in your post above, the lowest one would be acceptable.
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  9. rafass

    rafass Well-Known Member

    I'll do my best to make it right (y)
    Thanks Brogan for your explanations, help, patience and great job. I really appreciate it. (y)
    Sorry again.
  10. HWS

    HWS Well-Known Member

    You might want to make a suggestion to change the copyright to open the link in a new window. I am sure this was just an oversight by the developer.
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  11. Brogan

    Brogan XenForo Moderator Staff Member

    It's not an oversight.

    It is as designed.
  12. HWS

    HWS Well-Known Member

    Nonetheless, a suggestion may be worth to be made. ;-)

    I am sure it will get a huge amount of likes!
  13. Brogan

    Brogan XenForo Moderator Staff Member

    Irrespective of how many likes it gets, it will only be changed if the owners decide to.
  14. HWS

    HWS Well-Known Member

    Isn't that like all other suggestions? ;-)
  15. Amaury

    Amaury Well-Known Member

    It must also remain in the footer, IIRC, from what you've posted before. :)
  16. Luxus

    Luxus Well-Known Member

    Does adding a target attribute really alter the copyright? As I understand it, the copyright refers to

    a) The text: Forum software by XenForo™ ©2010-2014 XenForo Ltd.
    b) The link: http://xenforo.com

    Neither of those are altered if you add a target="_blank" attribute to the a tag. What it alters though is the behaviour of your browser when clicking at the link. Can this be copyrighted? I have doubts.

    The ToS also doesn't really make clear what is allowed and what not.

    It doesn't state what the copyright actually refers to (link & text or the complete HTML structure) nor does it explicitly state in which ways the copyright can't be altered (because apparently you can style it with CSS). What if you use Javascript to add a target attribute to the a tag? Technically, everything is still there in it's original form but the browser of users would add a target attribute. Does this mean you have violated the ToS?

    Also, I know a case where at least one person translated the whole copyright notice and he told me Ashley was aware of that and apparently it was ok. Couldn't tell if he was lying, though.
  17. Brogan

    Brogan XenForo Moderator Staff Member


    It is not permitted.
  18. Rob

    Rob Well-Known Member

    I'd say this should be allowed based upon a normal person's interpretation of the License text.
    If you can change the style, surely you can define the window the link opens in.

    In my humble opinion, this would not stand up in court with the current wording of the license.

    Personally, I don't care, especially since IIRC "target" was depreciated and now considered invalid HTML.
  19. Brogan

    Brogan XenForo Moderator Staff Member

    That interpretation would be incorrect.

    As already stated, it is not permitted.
  20. Rob

    Rob Well-Known Member

    Brogan, how can you say that? If a normal person interprets it that way then so would a court, they will come down on the side of the website owner naturally.
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