Wordpress Drama

[Sim]

XenForo's core/framework is really good... it's a shame it's boxed into calling itself a forum. If XF was also a commercial framework or commercial blog, there's a lot more potential customers than ones looking specifically for a forum.

My current project is a private forum for around 500 members which is a communication platform for an athletics club. I'm in the process of building out a bunch of tools to automate a lot of the weekly data processing requirements that has previously been very manual based on csv and spreadsheet data.

As a development framework, I find XenForo a pleasure to work with - especially given the security, user management, plugin and UI frameworks that do most of the heavy lifting for us.

This seems to be a bit of a pattern for my more recent projects - they are much less about the forum and more about utilising the platform as a development framework to add value on top of the core functions. Being able to easily replace the forum functionality with something else would certainly take this approach to the next level.

I once made the mistake of building an application that used WordPress as the platform - it worked, but then 5+ years later when I went to upgrade the application to fix something that had been broken by a 3rd party API changing (Twitter ) - I couldn't work out how the whole thing held together (WP code is a complete mess) and just gave up - I binned the entire site and started from scratch.

 

[Forsaken]

The new checkbox he added has made some accessibility issues for the team of volunteers who help with making Wordpress slightly accessible, and Matts response was just to recommend replacing them. Accessibility is very difficult, because just following guidelines is generally not enough, and it takes people with various disabilities (or expertise) to help with fixing issues.

 

[RobinHood]

So XF open sources a core framework and basic blog add on for free.

XF Community, Gallery, Resource Manager, ES etc. all remain paid 1st party add ons.

All of a sudden there's a best in class free blogging platform and framework that's way more developer friendly and modern than WP.

Influx of developers results in a huge boost to the 3rd party ecosystem.

A proper CMS / Advanced custom fields system could be released 1st or 3rd party to help fill the CMS gap side of things.

Profit??!

 

[Forsaken]

So XF open sources a core framework and basic blog add on for free.

XF Community, Gallery, Resource Manager, ES etc. all remain paid 1st party add ons.

All of a sudden there's a best in class free blogging platform and framework that's way more developer friendly and modern than WP.

Influx of developers results in a huge boost to the 3rd party ecosystem.

A proper CMS / Advanced custom fields system could be released 1st or 3rd party to help fill the CMS gap side of things.

Profit??!

I doubt this would happen, but if it did, I would see them going the fair source route: https://fair.io/about/

 

[Suzanne O]

Hence why i don't go the XF addon.
You can have a simple free account on wordpress and ask people to sign up with their own blogs with their own free accounts.

But i haven't blogged in ages. If i choose to blog i use one note anyway which is part of Office 365 anyway.

 

[digitalpoint]

So XF open sources a core framework and basic blog add on for free.

XF Community, Gallery, Resource Manager, ES etc. all remain paid 1st party add ons.

All of a sudden there's a best in class free blogging platform and framework that's way more developer friendly and modern than WP.

Influx of developers results in a huge boost to the 3rd party ecosystem.

A proper CMS / Advanced custom fields system could be released 1st or 3rd party to help fill the CMS gap side of things.

Profit??!

Wouldn’t need to open source it. That’s a different beast. Be a commercial blog/CMS platform is what I would do… honestly even if it’s the same price as XF now (just give people the option to install blog and/or forum). A blog/CMS that matched (and exceeded) what WordPress does out of the box could be banged out in a week if you used the XF framework.

Would open up a whole new revenue stream…

 

[eva2000]

Next Xenforo product = Xenforo CMS Platform

Wow who's next after WPEngine in this WordPress drama?

Internal blog post reveals Automattic's plan to enforce the WordPress trademark using 'nice and not nice lawyers' | TechCrunch

Matt Mullenweg, the WordPress co-founder and Automattic CEO, has been embroiled in a very public and legal fight with WP Engine these last few weeks over

techcrunch.com

 

[Ivancas]

Would open up a whole new revenue stream…

Making XF 3 to be ready around 2030

 

[digitalpoint]

Next Xenforo product = Xenforo CMS Platform

Just make it the same product imo... when you install, you pick if you want to install the Forum and/or Blog "applications" (which really are addons underneath it all).

Anyway, that's what I would do...

 

[Digital Doctor]

Anyway, that's what I would do...

You're hired.

A blog/CMS that matched (and exceeded) what WordPress does out of the box could be banged out in a week if you used the XF framework.

now you are really hired.

Xenforo Documents would be even better.

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[eva2000]

Just make it the same product imo... when you install, you pick if you want to install the Forum and/or Blog "applications" (which really are addons underneath it all).

Anyway, that's what I would do...

Oh yes add ecommerce product and we're all set

 

[digitalpoint]

Oh yes add ecommerce product and we're all set

Done. Hah

Post in thread 'Xenforo has twice the market share of vBulletin'

Mar 24, 2023

This is an interesting take. I know that in many occasions you and other devs praised the framework, especially since the re-write. But I thought you and your sites are exceptions. Like ofc you can turn this framework into something which has nothing to do with a forum yet use it as an engine to run other type of sites. But from what I understand now it is flexible enough for it not to be just an exception but with the right strategy the "forum software" could expand into other "software" territories. But I think we are already behind with current developments for the "forum" part that...

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[James]

@Forsaken do you realize that you are continuing to write innuendos about Matt regarding the possibility that he uses substances that could lead to a lawsuit?

And now anyone who has ever speculated anything about anyone online please form an orderly queue...

 

[Digital Doctor]

XF CMS framework

Next Xenforo product = Xenforo CMS Platform (Xenforo Framework)

If Xenforo did make a Framework / platform ... who would be the competitors ? (There must be existing products already) (How good are they?)

 

[Mr Lucky]

If Xenforo did make a CMS platform ... who would be the competitors ? (There must be existing products already) (How good are they?)

The xenForo Articles system is already better than Wordpress in many regards and once the editor is improved it will be even better.

 

[Suzanne O]

If Xenforo did make a CMS platform ... who would be the competitors ? (There must be existing products already) (How good are they?)

Wordpress have one of those.
You're made to fill it up with articles and other stuff.
Once you sign up and add your site to it.
It's the same as any website builder.

Other competitors joomla, wix, etc

 

[Digital Doctor]

The xenForo Articles system is already better than Wordpress in many regards and once the editor is improved it will be even better.

I don't doubt that is pretty good.

I was trying to get a what EXISTING frameworks are there that would be competitors to the "Xenforo Framework" (as being discussed).

 

[Miri]

The xenForo Articles system is already better than Wordpress in many regards and once the editor is improved it will be even better.

Now, it's okay that I love XenForo, but you also have to be pragmatic in saying things. Honestly, what is your basis for supporting this?!

 

[MentaL]

Now, it's okay that I love XenForo, but you also have to be pragmatic in saying things. Honestly, what is your basis for supporting this?!

Maybe someone can run some stock benchmarks. With and without caching.

 

[Digital Doctor]

@Bob

How hard would it be to convert your AMS addon to a standalone addon ? (Scenario is that Xenforo Forum is an addon for Xenforo framework). The goal would be some users may just use your AMS and not xenforo forum addon.