XF 2.2 webp support

[Artonn]

I'm currently trying to use WEBP for a post on my forum, but the images are not showing.

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Is webp not supported by xenforo?

 

[Paul B]

Not yet.

 

[Artonn]

Not yet.

Is this on some roadmap?

 

[mjda]

Is this on some roadmap?

There is no roadmap for XF, but it is confirmed as coming in XF 2.3.

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[Artonn]

There is no roadmap for XF, but it is confirmed as coming in XF 2.3.

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That's awesome, i'm looking forward to it. Honestly there should be an option to convert all uploaded images to webp.

 

[Chromaniac]

remains to be seen what functionality they provide out of the box in 2.3 whenever/if it gets a release. and hopefully they go beyond webp as avif is also universally supported now. apple has also added support for jxl while google is being annoying about it.

 

[TPerry]

That's awesome, i'm looking forward to it. Honestly there should be an option to convert all uploaded images to webp.

I'd prefer it to be optional in areas personally.

 

[Artonn]

I'd prefer it to be optional in areas personally.

Of course, the better modifiability the better the experience.

 

[TPerry]

Of course, the better modifiability the better the experience.

Yah.... my biggie is the folks in my primary niche like to download images and use them as backgrounds frequently. You lose some quality in webp. I don't mind dealing with the larger file sizes for storage, and the folks in the niche realize that the image sizes tend to be larger.

 

[digitalpoint]

That's awesome, i'm looking forward to it. Honestly there should be an option to convert all uploaded images to webp.

Agreed.

remains to be seen what functionality they provide out of the box in 2.3 whenever/if it gets a release. and hopefully they go beyond webp as avif is also universally supported now. apple has also added support for jxl while google is being annoying about it.

AVIF doesn't have widespread support on the server-side yet. I will bet you anything you'd like to bet that we won't see support in XenForo 2.3 (probably not 3.0 either).

AVIF support requires PHP 8.1, requires the server it's running on to have libavif installed (the first stable release of that library was released less than a year ago), and (probably) requires the user to be able to compile their own version of PHP because by default PHP doesn't compile in support for it (you need to explicitly give the compiler the --with-avif flag).

So even if everyone's server had the right libraries and a custom compiled version of PHP, you are still limited to ~23% of XenForo customers simply because you need PHP 8.1+

Any sort of roadmap for Xenforo 2.3 ?

You should not have to worry about php level requirements because that's something your web host monitors. That being said some older versions of xf won't work if you have it above 7 as they have chosen not to upgrade. I have mine at the latest version

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It will be most realistic down the road when PHP is at least including AVIF support by default (like they do for GIF, PNG & JPG).

Yah.... my biggie is the folks in my primary niche like to download images and use them as backgrounds frequently. You lose some quality in webp. I don't mind dealing with the larger file sizes for storage, and the folks in the niche realize that the image sizes tend to be larger.

WebP has supported lossless compression since 2012, so at this point if you are losing quality with WebP, something is being done wrong.

Lossless and Transparency Modes in WebP- Google Developers Blog

developers.googleblog.com

 

[Chromaniac]

mmm. are you adding webp conversion to the cloudflare addon

 

[andybond]

mmm. are you adding webp conversion to the cloudflare addon

I believe that is a paid part of cloudflare and cannot be added to a free package. - https://blog.cloudflare.com/a-very-webp-new-year-from-cloudflare/

 

[digitalpoint]

mmm. are you adding webp conversion to the cloudflare addon

Lol no. Has nothing to do with Cloudflare, so it would be a little misplaced if that were the case.

 

[digitalpoint]

I believe that is a paid part of cloudflare and cannot be added to a free package.

You are talking about something totally different (Cloudflare’s service to covert your images to WebP).

 

[Chromaniac]

I believe that is a paid part of cloudflare and cannot be added to a free package.

cloudflare polish is fully automated. the screenshot above appears to show a functionality that converts images to webp on command line. though i am not sure what dp product it is

i am guessing it's not a public product and is for in-house purposes.

XF 2.2 - Anything to clean up old files?

I started running some code compatibility checks for PHP 8.1 and most everything that came up were old PHP files that weren't even part of XenForo any longer (but still existed on the server). So then I started down the road of making a XenForo Cli command that reads the hashes.json files...

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[andybond]

You are talking about something totally different (Cloudflare’s service to covert your images to WebP).

Ah! My mistake. I misinterpreted it as adding the WebP ( Polish ) part to your addon , not doing a on the fly conversion to WebP as part of your addon!

 

[TPerry]

WebP has supported lossless compression since 2012, so at this point if you are losing quality with WebP, something is being done wrong.

My Mac and Linux boxes don't use WebP as background images AFAIK (honestly haven't tried them) and I usually end up converting any I download in that format into JPG.
Also...wanna piss some astrophotographers off... go changing the format of their images. I've seen users leave a community because of that being done.
I simply purchased an optimizer add-on and it reduces image sizes (overall) by about 40% with no loss of quality and no need to provide it in a different format.
Nothing that XF couldn't roll into their package themselves... but it does require you run on a VPS or dedicated server to work.

 

[digitalpoint]

cloudflare polish is fully automated. the screenshot above appears to show a functionality that converts images to webp on command line. though i am not sure what dp product it is

i am guessing it's not a public product and is for in-house purposes.

For the time being, ya... I've been consolidating image related functionality improvements into it's own addon. For example:

Force image resize

It would be nice if we could force all uploaded images to be "resized" as an option even if they are within the normal size constraints. Basically allow the image libraries to reduce the file sizes on uploaded images even if they are within the allowed pixel dimensions. As a test, I added...

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The CLI command to migrate existing stuff to WebP is a work in-progress. Mostly waiting to see how much WebP related stuff XenForo 2.3 does and planning on going from there.

 

[Ernomies]

Lack of support is super annoying. It's a daily issue, user posts a image which is shown as "image.webp", not as image. Then I have to expain Xenforo doesen't support WebP yet.

WebP was released in 2010. Too much in Xenforo is happening only when 2.3 arrives.

 

[Andy.N]

I just happened to do a Google pagespeed analysis on my XF site and the result for mobile is terrible. The main red mark is the images format. It says if I used WebP format, it will save the loading times 19 seconds