VerticalScope Inc Headed toward Bankruptcy?

That's like asking my mechanic to do my brakes out of passion because he loves working on cars.
Not really.

That analogy doesn’t quite work. He’s not being asked to do unpaid work for someone - it's about deciding whether to invest time into building a product without any validation or guaranteed demand. That’s a business risk, not a matter of passion or free work.

If that makes sense? I dunno. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Why not just do it out of passion? Who cares if you get 10 or 100 sales? Do it because you think it makes sense.
Development and testing are time prohibitive, and if he were to release it he is more likely to get better funding with upfront investment than he is to sell it purely as an add-on where it could take years to make an actual return.
 
One thing I don't understand is this obsession with systems where users vote on the quality of discussions. No forum has as many users as Reddit. So the number of votes cast will naturally be small, and therefore the “algorithm” won't work well.

On the most popular forums, users often want to follow almost all of the discussions posted recently, or just a few of them.
 
One thing I don't understand is this obsession with systems where users vote on the quality of discussions. No forum has as many users as Reddit. So the number of votes cast will naturally be small, and therefore the “algorithm” won't work well.
In this add-on specifically, the upvote/downvote is powered by native reactions.

Considering that some first posts don't have a lot of reactions, I added an aggregation setting to count all reactions toward the first post's reaction score for ranking purposes.

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In this add-on specifically, the upvote/downvote is powered by native reactions.

Considering that some first posts don't have a lot of reactions, I added an aggregation setting to count all reactions toward the first post's reaction score for ranking purposes.

Okay, now it makes sense, at least in part. It’s worth noting that aggregating all the reactions could serve as a “general barometer of activity.”

I’ll say it again: in my opinion, there isn’t much appeal for this type of feature because we all (with very few exceptions) have a user base that’s too small to benefit from this kind of implementation.

Every time I’ve introduced a homepage, users have complained and wanted the usual list of sections.

The only thing we’ve managed to get users to accept over the years is a content feed that embeds the forum list as a tab—the idea is taken from ThemeHouse’s Feeds (even though that add-on has bugs and works poorly) and was partially recreated by Painbaker with Content Feeds.

Simply presenting users with the latest discussions, latest posts, and latest activity is often more than enough. Well, that’s just my opinion. But I’ve been managing forums of varying sizes for over 10 years, and I’ve never found the user base or the level of engagement (meaning the habit of voting and reacting to content) needed to handle this kind of setup.
 
I don't know if ForaFrank has been mentioned here in the thread yet, but on one of the forums I joined decades ago, which VS bought (@Mr Lucky probably knows which one 😉), their AI bot ForaFrank is replying to threads with the typical slop that is AI. It's all nonsense replies, basically restating what was already said. Thankfully they didn't make ForaFrank a staff member, so it can be ignored. It's not just there--the other forum I used to frequent for a car brand/model is similarly infested with the slop, and the "welcome" threads all receive the exact same reply.

AI can eff off, as can VS.
 
Their AI bot ForaFrank is replying to threads with the typical slop that is AI. It's all nonsense replies, basically restating what was already said.
It’s just common sense: when people have spent years—sometimes decades—building real human connections in an online community, the last thing they want is to be forced to interact with clunky, experimental AI. A lot of companies shoved these features in purely to generate investor hype, but we're starting to see it backfire. Ford Motor company just hired back Engineers they fired after realizing the A.I. wasn't getting the job done!
At the end of the day, speculative buzz can only take a platform so far before the actual users push back.

As Voltaire said, common sense is not so common.

PS When I first posted this, the stock was 3.62 CAD (down 81% in one year, now it is sitting at 2.57 CAD (another 29% drop) and something has been triggering a sell off. It won't be long........

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It’s just common sense: when people have spent years—sometimes decades—building real human connections in an online community, the last thing they want is to be forced to interact with clunky, experimental AI. A lot of companies shoved these features in purely to generate investor hype, but we're starting to see it backfire. Ford Motor company just hired back Engineers they fired after realizing the A.I. wasn't getting the job done!
At the end of the day, speculative buzz can only take a platform so far before the actual users push back.

As Voltaire said, common sense is not so common.

PS When I first posted this, the stock was 3.62 CAD (down 81% in one year, now it is sitting at 2.57 CAD (another 29% drop) and something has been triggering a sell off. It won't be long........

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Yeah but the AI slop bothers many because it's just somebody stinking up the forum with same crap that only deserves to be posted up as a notice.
 
To be honest, this was bound to happen. For years, they’ve been buying up great, unique forums by the dozens, only to turn them into soulless, ad-choked assembly lines on their Fora platform. Corporate management almost always kills that cozy, tight-knit vibe of old-school communities the exact reason people joined them in the first place.
 
Something happened over the past couple of days since I'm suddenly been playing whack-a-mole with a handful of VS forums I belong to. (A couple, I belonged well before they were bought up.) It's all those "recent activity" emails, all the same format, from different forums. I considered flagging them as spam but instead, went and unsubscribed from everything (it's two steps). Either these were going into the spam folders for months? years?, or they're getting desperate.

To be honest, this was bound to happen. For years, they’ve been buying up great, unique forums by the dozens, only to turn them into soulless, ad-choked assembly lines on their Fora platform. Corporate management almost always kills that cozy, tight-knit vibe of old-school communities the exact reason people joined them in the first place.
I heart my ad blocker. 😂 There was one forum that used to feel kind of cozy since it was started by someone on the other side of our state, and I knew the site owner from the late 90s when we were using the same hosting company. (The host had a private newsgroup server we all participated in.) It's not the same forum anymore; he retired and sold the forum to VS. It was a "hobby" forum. Used to have quite a few things that interested me. Now, all of those interests have been shoved in a corner in favor of a couple other things that don't really interest me. (The older hobbies were more hands-on; the newer ones are more about collecting certain categories of items.)

Another was a music forum (for a specific instrument) out of France. (@Mr Lucky probably knows it well.) It is still somewhat intact, and my forum ID dates back to 2003. VS must be doing something else now, as it has some sort of automated forum sensor that flagged a photo of a part of an instrument as being NSFW.

Wouldn't surprise me if they created AI tools to auto-moderate all of their forums.

A lot of companies shoved these features in purely to generate investor hype, but we're starting to see it backfire. Ford Motor company just hired back Engineers they fired after realizing the A.I. wasn't getting the job done!
AI is shooting so many industries in the foot. Some corporations using it are now finding the same thing (AI can't create any usable work), or once they get the bill for using AI engines, they realize it costs more than the employees they sacked. Serves them right.

At the end of the day, speculative buzz can only take a platform so far before the actual users push back.
Thankfully that pushback is happening now. In the series of articles I'm starting to work on, I call it an AI arms race. It's basically Big Tech pushing hard to get people to like and adopt it, yet many people (especially Gen Z) mistrust it or refuse to have any part of it. Small businesses are learning that when they take shortcuts with AI to produce flyers, posters, menus, etc., that customers are repelled by those and damage control takes a while. (Customers wonder if that same restaurant that created an AI slop flyer is taking shortcuts with their ingredients or service.)

The datacenters themselves are making more residents angry since nobody wants to live by something that creates noise pollution, generates heat, and/or uses precious water reserves, while getting tax breaks and straining the grid (where many consumers, including yours truly, have seen electricity rates jump 20-25% in the past 18 months). Just north of us on the outskirts of our metro area, which I would call near-rural area with farmlands, there are signs along the main roads saying "No AI."

It makes me wonder why we suddenly need all these dozens if not hundreds of resource-intensive AI datacenters, and what's going to happen when enough of us in society cause a huge drop in AI usage. Are we going to have all these abandoned buildings sitting unused? I feel it may take another year or two before we hit a breaking point.

And yep, bringing this full circle, we're seeing that even VS can't add AI without people complaining about it, and their stock is still tanking.

In today's internet you can get slop posted to your forum for free. :ROFLMAO:
Too true! 😂 Thankfully a lot of the youngsters raised on social media don't last long, and our forums skew older anyway. The few young stragglers who remain actually come around and start posting more like the rest of us do. They enjoy being there. There's still hope for us antique forum owners yet. 😁
 
I still find it funny how AI bots are literally asking to buy your forums before allowing so much of it's own AI slop on your old forums.
If anything they're scammers.
That xenfora site is impersonating Xenforo but with too much AI slop on the xenfora site.
 
I had an email from Fora Frank the other day - very odd.

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Another was a music forum (for a specific instrument) out of France. (@Mr Lucky probably knows it well.)
No, I don’t know any French forums.
automated forum sensor that flagged a photo of a part of an instrument as being NSFW.
I think various technical forums are seeing false positives any parts of a certain shape that (in some robot’s warped mind) vaguely resemble a sex toy or an anatomical illustration of a reproductive system.
 
I find it really sad that a company would try to buy up forums and squeeze them for money... and ultimately kill them all if they go to bankruptcy
 
No, I don’t know any French forums.
I saw a few of your forum members on it...same topic. 😉

I think various technical forums are seeing false positives any parts of a certain shape that (in some robot’s warped mind) vaguely resemble a sex toy or an anatomical illustration of a reproductive system.
It was a Yanagisawa neck from a tenor, I believe. And yep, that's exactly it--"vaguely looks like" seems to be how they operate.
 
I find it really sad that a company would try to buy up forums and squeeze them for money... and ultimately kill them all if they go to bankruptcy
I believe they buy them with the intention of packing them full of ads and raking in the ad money as profit. Thing is, they don't count on an increasing number of visitors using ad blockers, and also don't realize that those who don't block ads get put off by having their screen be so "busy" with ads moving and flashing everywhere.

They have also been opening new forums regularly when new car models come out. Like when Honda introduced the Prologue, they immediately registered a domain and set up a forum, several months before it even became available. These forums really never take hold--they get dozens or maybe a hundred or so members who contribute more than once, but traffic is nothing like those forums they bought up which were already fully operational.

There were some smaller forums in a niche area that I used to belong to that were bought up by a much smaller group. Naturally they placed a few ads on them (a small fraction as many as VS) but they do the whole "donate to us" shtick on top of it, asking for a huge donation goal on each forum that would cover hosting for these lower-traffic forums for years. Especially since traffic on them isn't much more than what I host a couple of small forums on. Sad thing is, I probably would have taken over one of them if I had known; I'm not sure if I could have met the owner's price though. (He was retiring, and wanted out.)
 
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