vb5 beta released, and...

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Robbo said:
... sigh. Just... I've seen a heap of classes added before by JS libraries but really? And id="htmlTag"??

This pisses me off. I am broke, barely paying bills. And people are getting paid a lot of money to do that!
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Apply for a job there then.
 
....for those of you worried by all of this, fear not! This was posted on the official VB5 demo forum earlier today...

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* Where's the sarcasm BBCode? :whistle:
 
Robbo, please, stop posting further examples, I nearly fell of my chair....
This can't be serious. :eek:
 
David_ said:
Apply for a job there then.
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And have to deal with the crap I am reading now every day with a bunch of people who think they are doing a good job? Making no mistakes like the above (edit: 3 posts above) post shows? No thanks. But thanks for your input.
 
Walter said:
Robbo, please, stop posting further examples, I nearly fell of my chair....
This can't be serious. :eek:
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It gets worse overall. But I'm not looking anymore and done posting here. This has put me more behind XenForo than ever before. Lucky too because if it was good I would be using most my time there instead as this market is very small at the moment. I will never, ever, work on vBulletin.
 
I still can't get past the fact that they call this a refactor and then continue to put the VERSION NUMBER (ie. 5) in their namespace. What vB5 will be the last version? Or they plan to refactor every major iteration?

Seriously mind-boggling.

Also.. calling echo straight from their controllers.. -.-

A lot of this won't stand out to juniors, they might actually think their code looks solid, but I guarantee you it is infested with bad practices and redundancies.
 
So worst case scenario for XF losing the lawsuit just changed from going back to Vbulletin to making Naatan/Robbo write their own forum software :p
 
RobParker said:
So worst case scenario for XF losing the lawsuit just changed from going back to Vbulletin to making Naatan/Robbo write their own forum software :p
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If it would really get to that (I REALLY hope it doesn't) and we can get the funding then I think both Robbo and I would definitely go there (we've speculated about it before).

Fact is though that although XenForo isn't "perfect" in every regard, it has by far one of the most solid codebases of any php project I've come across, and I'd hate to "start over" when such a splendid platform already exists.
 
I've expressed my feelings on vBulletin's License forum, but I'll post it here so people can take a look:
Wow, I honestly didn't believe it could get much worse. When I first heard about 5 Connect, I believed we would see something pretty cool. Not necessarily amazing, but I was hopeful for a lightweight product refined by today's standards in UI and coding practices, but instead we get this. I try not to jump on the bandwagon of vB bashers, even though I'm an XenForo client now, but if you were hoping this product would attract people like me back, you failed...miserably.

These are a couple of things I've noticed without even registering and logging into the demo site:
  • The homepage takes extremely long to load. I'm not sure if that is purely just your server being hammered by people viewing the product and playing around...but this is a turn-off. You should have put this on a beefier server if that was the case.
  • When the homepage takes too long to load you can clearly see instances where the individual tabs for "Latest Activity" shows up for a few seconds and the page looks like a mess. Pretty gross.
  • There is no large call-to-action button to get users to register. There is of course a login/sign up bar at the top...but the biggest thing in that overlay is the login form with a TINY link to "register". I would look for a new designer.
  • The activity listing tab is EXTREMELY confusing. It's hard to tell where one item begins and where one item ends. I'm not sure who is on your ALPHA team testing this, but please make sure in the future to include experienced web designers with solid portfolios.
  • I don't know how better to describe the default style than...it's ugly. I actually think that vB4 looks better than vB5 in some instances.
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  • We don't need slow moving slide effects using jQuery on every tool. It's nice to have things fade in and out QUICKLY, but slow moving slide toggles are killing the user experience.
  • I'll generalize the blogs as horrendous. I know it's not extremely helpful to just put that, but I don't know how much I can write while at work on how bad it is. My advice would be to start over.
Boy oh boy I don't really know why I'm so upset about this. I'm not even a vBulletin customer anymore but this almost feels like a slap in the face. Not only do you put a BETA product on sale that this horrendous, but you actually expect people to pay for it? Let us be real here for a second, this product looks bad and I haven't even registered yet. If I were just an end-user coming across a forum using this software, I wouldn't be there for long. It's slow, unintuitive and ugly. I don't expect the perfect software guys, it's impossible to create...however I do expect something decent. You might not have the "best looking" software in the world, but if it's intuitive and fast I might purchase it. You guys need to pick one area to focus on for this release and nail it. My suggestion would be to figure out how to make this product more lightweight and optimize it in any areas you can. Once you have this performing better than vBulletin 4 standards, you should move onto the next area of focus...the UI. This will probably take the longest to nail, but it would be well worth it and you can attack sections bit by bit. C'mon guys...get focused and get serious.
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They're using Magento to power the front page (and I'm assuming sales).

Imagine that a software development company, is using a 3rd party script to power their own site....
 
Me too:

I have taken some time to look over the VB 5 Connect Demo and I must say that my confidence in this company is severely shaken. Please tell me that what I am seeing is a pre-alpha stage concept and not the final product? Not only is what I see beyond stuck-in-the-mud sluggish, there are fewer features than a 1997 version of common forum software. I really gave this an open minded look and am so bummed out right now. PLEASE PLEASE tell me this is nowhere near finished? PLEASE?!?
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David_ said:
They're using Magento to power the front page (and I'm assuming sales).

Imagine that a software development company, is using a 3rd party script to power their own site....
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Can't blame them for that.

Magento is exceptionally good at what they do. Why re-invent the wheel.
 
I'm a fan of how blogs are essentially just forum posts within a new section and the same style. The only difference is how the initial page is laid out :(. My mind has been blown...
 
Apokalupsis said:
Yes, that is quite odd...yours is indeed faster than the official demo board...
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His main site loads in 80ms for me, whereas the /connect portion loads in almost 600ms.

Thats a good 500ms vB takes to calculate the page - absolutely horrendous.
 
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