Tuition fees in the UK to rise.

Higher education has become big business, that is the bottom line.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...uition+recruitment&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

There was a news story on TV about how college recruiters in the USA churn and burn students by making giant promises to them that they would place them in jobs after graduation, when in fact they are just using this to get the student enrolled so they can get a commission on the student's tuition.
 
Shamil said:
The UK Parliament has officially voted in favour of raising the university tuition fees.

For some courses that cost £6000 per annum, this will rise to £9000 I believe.

The student population aren't pleased, especially as they felt they had been betrayed by a certain Nick Clegg (Lib. Dem). They have held live, [violent] protests at the parliament in London today.

More graduates will be leaving with debt, even after a decade after leaving university, students calculated.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11954333

It is a sad day of defeat and betrayal for students.

Now, adults, what do you think of this news?
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While I agree it's not good news and do side with the student argument (somewhat). Truth is, there are too many young teenagers who don't want to work today, and will stay at Uni for as long as they possibly can getting free handouts paid for by working tax payers. I've seen my own sister do it, and admit she was doing it for the free perks and grants she got.

In that respect, I do think something needed to change to make it harder for people to take advantage of the University system and working tax payers in general in the UK.

Get a paid job like the rest of us, instead of crying about it!
 
Whilst a fee increase is never nice, I completely disagree with what protesters have turned into a riot now, upon seeing on the news this morning. The point is completely lost on them it seems, and they somehow think that riots and chaos is going to change the funding. All it does is bring attention to the cause, it doesn't change the outcome.

Geez... how backwards is that type of approach!!!
 
AnthonyCea said:
Higher education has become big business, that is the bottom line.
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Any where profit is put before the actual purpose of the activity, greed will corrupt it. Hence why regulation and non-profit has better outcomes for things that are focused on individuals & society's well being.

The only individuals who typically argue against that and quote "free market systems" (as if they ever existed) are the ones trying to profit from the whole thing.
 
When I was at college, the lecture halls had 300 students in them. There were only lectures in the morning. Term time was 50% of the year. Average student-facing-time to staff ratio therefore 300 x 2 /50% = 1200:1

We had supervisions/tutorials three times per week with approx 8 students in them, each supervision 1 hour. With a possible 40 supervisions per week load, 40 x 8 / 3 / 50% = student-facing-time to staff ratio 213:1

That equates to a 100% utilisation staff cost of (at GBP 6000 tuition fees) of GBP 1.2 million to GBP 7.2million per staff member.

Since the average staff member is receiving a FTE salary equivalent of GBP 50,000 this means the UK universities are operating at an efficiency ratio of between 1% and 5%, ie. 95%-99% of the "tuition fees" ARE NOT GOING TO TUITION but are spent on overheads, "research", admin staff, advertising, rents, "expenses" goofing off, staff writing articles and books, etc. F++king ridiculous!

Heads need to roll.

Oh, and any college professors writing books or registering patents? IMO all royalties should now got to the students since they paid for the working time, ownership belongs to them! ;)
 
The students should be protesting against the rich *******s that corrupted the entire world economy (Blair petroleum and Co.), who brought all this oil and war fraud upon us that brings us to this place we are in right now.

We did it here in the USA with the Vietnam war, the hippies and the student protests forced the government to change policy, so this can happen in the UK too if the protesters force the morons in government to govern with the people's interest in mind instead of their rich stakeholder supporters.
 
Higher education should be a right not something only the wealthy can afford. The socialist argument is that with higher education you earn a higher income thus paying more in taxes, ergo the state re-captures it's investment while delivering a more educated workforce overall. The move to capitalist styled education systems in Australia and New Zealand has been a total disaster for the society of both countries. Something we will all pay for Downunder in due course. My suggestion to anyone aspiring to work in IT in this part of the world is to hit the Tafe and leave Universities for the high fee paying cream of society and foreign full fee students, why incur a large debt in an industry where wages aren't exactly the highest in the Western world.
 
On the national news here in the old USA it showed Prince Charles and his wife being attacked by a mob of protesters who threw paint at their auto.
 
I'm in the US and just watched the news report the rioting and the windshield crack in Prince Charles car. Is this sensationalism or is it really that bad? The camera angle was pretty narrow so I couldn't see how large scale the protest is.

I've often believed that tuition rates in the US are exorbitant. There is very little accountability in my opinion. Though I have a former elementary school that request donations from me to meet their budget and there tuition is now near $20k year....for elementary school.
 
AnthonyCea said:
On the national news here in the old USA it showed Prince Charles and his wife being attacked by a mob of protesters who threw paint at their auto.
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yep, a group of them threw paint at their car and smashed one of the windows and they were kicking the car - what they thought that would achieve I do not know.
 
They scared the hell out of Prince Charles, his wife most likely pissed her pants too !!

Netsultants said:
I'm in the US and just watched the news report the rioting and the windshield crack in Prince Charles car. Is this sensationalism or is it really that bad? The camera angle was pretty narrow so I couldn't see how large scale the protest is.
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It's been going on for a week now, so IT IS REALLY BAD !!!

When police have to rush a crowd on horseback and police are falling off horses almost being stomped to death by their own horse it is bad.

When protesters are attacking the treasury and other government installations it is real bad.
 
And when protesters spend the afternoon smashing up breeze blocks into smaller pieces (with metal reinforcements still attached) so they could throw them at police when things got crazy later, it is really bad!
 
Right, it would be much smarter to force Blair and all his partners who stole trillions on oil and war to give all that cash back or go to jail, versus putting the nations youth into debt for the rest of their lives so they can go to school !!

What a bunch of morons running both of our governments !!
 
AnthonyCea said:
When protesters are attacking the treasury and other government installations it is real bad.
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Bad, as defined by the government that is. While some of the tactics are questionable, and some are outright counter productive - that you have a population that holds it's government to account or protests when it feels is should, is very much right - not bad.

Sitting around watch politicians blame "the other side" while subduing a poupulation into numbness and telling them they have it better than anyone else in the world .......... now that is bad.

Hence why I'm a fan of France when the French get upset, they do something.
 
And when the govt deficit is so big, and the public payroll so large, that you start charging students up to GBP 9000 to fill in expenditure holes, it is really bad!

Cameron and his gvt have lost a lot of credibility. There is no argument that there are too many students studying unuseful topics for too long. There is no argument that the "university" system in the UK has become too expensive and too inefficient without metrics of accountability. But to use the "i will charge you my overloaded costs" methodology when there are 101 structural remedies demonstrates that Cameron's team hasn't got the nerve, know-how, or political competence to address the changes-to-the-system that are required.

A few months ago I cheered when Cameron got into Office. A stop to the nonsense of Blair/Clown. But I have stopped cheering. The situation is really bad.

What precedent is being set here? To allow any and every government institution to run amok with their over-benefitted, underperforming, ineffecient, and politically protected operations, and then to "tax" the people at cost-plus-plus to pay for it? To allow civil unrest rather then deal with the changes required to the public payroll and the methods of managing public institutions?
 
AnthonyCea said:
Protesting is not enough Jerry, read my prior post to see what really is required, it is called JUSTICE !!!

But those running the high courts are in on the scam too, that is why Bush was APPOINTED President by his friend in 2000, Chief Justice Rehnquist, who was appointed by another fellow Republican, Nixon !!!
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Indeed, the US is basically lost from what I can see; has been since Regan for the most part.
 
Yes but the joke is on the people and the taxpayers of the world, the rich can hide away with all their secret bank accounts, they are not there in the streets facing those angry kids.
 
It's not just that tuition is rising... Courses are simply being cut, not offered, and there are furlough days. I don't think I'm even going to go next semester... I simply can't get the courses that I need, so I'd be paying more tuition than ever for a bunch courses that I have no reason to be taking. I'll probably just wait for the fall semester.
 
Yeh, motivate more ppl to get a fill the shelves at grocery store jobs, rather than go through an education.

Good job. :)
 
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