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Tuition fees in the UK to rise.

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Shamil, Dec 9, 2010.

  1. Shamil

    Shamil Well-Known Member

    The UK Parliament has officially voted in favour of raising the university tuition fees.

    For some courses that cost £6000 per annum, this will rise to £9000 I believe.

    The student population aren't pleased, especially as they felt they had been betrayed by a certain Nick Clegg (Lib. Dem). They have held live, [violent] protests at the parliament in London today.

    More graduates will be leaving with debt, even after a decade after leaving university, students calculated.


    It is a sad day of defeat and betrayal for students.

    Now, adults, what do you think of this news?
  2. Jake Bunce

    Jake Bunce XenForo Moderator Staff Member

    The same thing is happening in the US. It's a shame because education is one of the great equalizers in society.
  3. turtile

    turtile Well-Known Member

    ...and it's still more expensive here! I am in the middle of switching schools since they eliminated in-state tuition which made the cost go from $8,000 per year to $25,000.
  4. Jo.

    Jo. Well-Known Member

    I'm appalled by the violence at Westminster - it's so unnecessary and it really makes me ashamed to be a student. As for the fee rise, I don't see why students shouldn't contribute towards the costs of their education, and it's not like they have to pay the fees up front. I'm going to be leaving uni with more debt than they will on average even with these new fees, but I consider it an investment in my future.

    As turtile said, it's not like our fees have gone up to the levels of those in the US (out of state rates I mean). In actual fact, most universities will only be charging £6000 a year not £9000 - and universities will have to meet certain criteria in order to be allowed to charge that much. Also there will be more scholarships available and you don't even have to start paying fees back until you're earning at least £21,000 a year...

    It could be a lot worse, and I'm appalled by the violence in London today.
  5. Jake Bunce

    Jake Bunce XenForo Moderator Staff Member

    It's true that debt is one solution. But credit is getting tighter and job prospects don't look good for the foreseeable future (at least in the US). That makes it more difficult to both obtain a loan and to pay it back.
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  6. Jo.

    Jo. Well-Known Member

    It's not the same over here in terms of getting loans. The government provides loans to students and it doesn't have anything to do with credit ratings or anything. The loans are available to anyone who wants to do a degree, and they don't have to be paid back until you're earning above a certain amount, and the repayment rates are reasonable.

    Most students use tuition fee loans provided by the government to pay their uni fees. They also take out maintenance loans, also provided by the government, for living costs. There are also plans to increase the number of grants and scholarships to help poorer students.
  7. Shamil

    Shamil Well-Known Member

    That's changing. Student Finance is beginning to tighten up. Maintenance grants are going to be replaced with something that's more stringent.

    It's calculated that one could end up with £40k debt after 10 years of leaving uni. The terms of uni loan will not be like it is presently either.

    I've also been informed my several universities that scholarships will no longer be available for the courses I want to do. Mega fail for me. Where did you hear that the number of grants and scholarships was increasing?

    I also do not endorse the violence, but I understand their pain. It's a squeeze, hey, at least London Weighting won't increase.. oh wait..
    FreshFroot likes this.
  8. Mattie Num Nums

    Mattie Num Nums Active Member

    College = biggest waste of 65,000 dollars in my life. Got a degree that I never use because its outdated.
  9. Carl

    Carl Well-Known Member

    Im sure all those Lib Dem supporters are happy with the way they voted now! (students especially) ;)
  10. Shamil

    Shamil Well-Known Member

    Tell me about it. I have to say, the chase begins.
  11. AnthonyCea

    AnthonyCea Well-Known Member

    Well, the government is broke like the US is, all due to an idiotic war in Iraq that Blair and Cheney started to drive oil prices to records the world has never seen, sending our nations into debt that your kid's children will still be paying for.

    Where did all the money go that financed the war ??

    Into the pockets of corporations like BP, Exxon, Halliburton and all the defense contractors who made the arms, so instead of taking more money from the poor, we need to get it from the fraudulent rich who stole trillions and buried it in Swiss banks (Blair and Bush's buddies).
    FreshFroot likes this.
  12. Carl

    Carl Well-Known Member

    Be interesting to see what happens to the Lib Tories in the next election!
  13. Shamil

    Shamil Well-Known Member

    Or what might be lack of...
  14. jmurrayhead

    jmurrayhead Well-Known Member

    I have to agree with this. I majored in Networking and Security. For a living I'm doing what started out as a hobby of mine: programming. AND I started that before I even finished my degree. I earn more than many people with a master's degree. It's sickening to me to see all these people spend thousand and thousands of dollars for education to see them have to resort to waitressing or similar job.
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  15. Carl

    Carl Well-Known Member

    Yes its the end of the Lib Dems in our lifetime now thats for sure.
  16. Mark3121

    Mark3121 Well-Known Member

    Agreed, didnt Labour also introduce these fees in the first place?

    I had 2 part-time jobs while at uni and took a year out before hand to save up, came out owing nothing, as for the violence, digusting scenes. Glad the vote went through.
    Jo. likes this.
  17. AnthonyCea

    AnthonyCea Well-Known Member

    We 'won' the war in Iraq and got all that oil !!

    Prices plunged after the victory and the world economy is racing with spectacular expansion due to this great decision !!!

    LOL !!
  18. Andy.N

    Andy.N Well-Known Member

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  19. Carl

    Carl Well-Known Member

    They did - but they capped it at a maximum of £3,000 a year - not £9,000!
  20. Jerry

    Jerry Well-Known Member

    I find the whole notion of having to pay for education sickening. I did two years of college and 4 years of university for free, free at the time that is (and think you likely still can if means tested etc).

    Every study I've seen and rational going shows that it is in the interest of the country to ensure that every person reaches their maximum potential. I know the work I did in the UK off the back of that education more than paid for in in the taxes I paid, let alone the indirect benefit of having educated clever people in your country doing good things. Hence why I have no problem with living and working in a society which thinks about itself and others, opposed to training individuals into debt and wage slavery.

    Though some places on this planet accuse that of apparently being a "socialist nightmare" and teach people to be more selfish, and not only accept that, but accept the debt that goes with it.

    As for foreign students and workers. Being a student some where overseas is wholly accepted that you are paying for a service from an institution in that country, and should pay top whack. That there is any entitlement to stay and work isn't, you get in line with everyone else to apply to get in a go for jobs.

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