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XF 1.3 notice for guests - spiders issue

Discussion in 'XenForo Questions and Support' started by tsak76, May 2, 2014.

  1. tsak76

    tsak76 Active Member

    if u put a notice to show for guests its being indexed by spiders which causes the same irrelevant msg to be shown in all pages. with vbseo u could make the notice not being indexed by spiders. any idea how to do that in xf ?
     
  2. Chris D

    Chris D XenForo Developer Staff Member

    It's really not a good idea to show different content to search engines vs your normal users. It is actually in violation of Google's terms, and no doubt many other search engines.

    The spider indexes the entire page, not parts of it. If you're referring to the summary text of search results, then Google will decide itself what text to show you based on what you searched for.
     
  3. arms

    arms Active Member

    upload_2014-5-2_13-31-18.png upload_2014-5-2_13-35-18.png

    The inbuilt notices do seem to get a fair bit of precedence on google.
     
  4. Chris D

    Chris D XenForo Developer Staff Member

    What did you search for? That's very relevant.
     
  5. arms

    arms Active Member

    site: xenmediagallery.com
    site: xenadmins.com

    or


    The top ranking "xen media gallery" search item is:

    upload_2014-5-2_13-42-11.png
     
  6. Chris D

    Chris D XenForo Developer Staff Member

    That search expression is correct.

    You're searching for the word "site" and the word xenmediagallery.com.

    The correct search term to see content for a single site is site:xenmediagallery.com

    (The space makes it search completely differently).

    My results:

    upload_2014-5-2_13-41-45.png

    Not a single notice appears there.

    However...

    You searched for site and xenmediagallery.com.

    So, Google shows you the text it finds on an indexed page that is relevant to those two terms. It even bolds them in your search results because that's what you searched for.

    The cookie notice has the word "site" in it, so obviously it will show that because it appears on every page.

    Here's some more results searching for the word "upload" using the expression site:xenmediagallery.com upload

    upload_2014-5-2_13-43-30.png


    Not a single result has any notice in it, yet there are notices that show on every page. It doesn't show the meta description, it doesn't specifically show the notice, it doesn't show anything other than what you searched for.

    The only exception to that is where it cannot ascertain anything specific based on your search term it may choose something itself to show. That may be the forum description, it maybe some other text such as a notice. But the important thing is, in normal conditions, your users are seeing the content they're searching for. Nothing else.
     
  7. Chris D

    Chris D XenForo Developer Staff Member

    Obviously it is. The notice contains the word Xen Media Gallery and that's what you searched for. What do you expect it to put there?
     
  8. arms

    arms Active Member

    I'll consider myself told shall I. :whistle:

    What this has taught me is not to put your forum name in text in the notice. Because you search for your forum name, it shows the notice as its relevant. Even if its a load of text about cookies.
     
  9. tsak76

    tsak76 Active Member

    if u search the domain like @arms "site: domain.com" did it will show the notice. this is not good and not welcome. its not blackhat seo to hide this notice. all of us vbseo users we were using vbseo's virtual html display to hide the notice from spiders for years with no problems.

    the question remains. how to do it in xf ?
     
  10. Chris D

    Chris D XenForo Developer Staff Member

    You seem to have a severe misunderstanding of how Google works, indexes content and then displays that in search results. My explanation was accurate and correct. Google indexes all content on the entire page and the text returned in search results snippets is based on the terms that have been searched for. arms didn't search the domain. "site:domain.com" searches a domain. "site: domain.com" searches for the word SITE and the URL - not at all the same.

    Not going to explain it again, it's all there.

    To answer your question, there is no "virtual html" function.

    The only thing that is close is I have an add-on called Notifications. It uses JavaScript to display Notifications which could be used as a replacement for Notices. Google shouldn't be able to see those as the content is added to the DOM entirely with javascript.
     
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  11. Jake Bunce

    Jake Bunce XenForo Moderator Staff Member

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