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As Designed Moderator log doesn't log actions of admins which are not in the moderators list

Discussion in 'Resolved Bug Reports' started by rellect, Apr 19, 2015.

  1. rellect

    rellect Well-Known Member

    Well it sounds like the title answers itself, but just to be sure.
    The moderator log wasn't working for me in a forum, and it took me a while to find out why. Eventually I've found in the code that if user is an admin, but isn't added to the moderators list, the moderator log won't log his actions. Is this is expected?
    I'm using the moderator log as a thread history tool, so I would expect it to log the action, but maybe it's not what it meant for.
     
  2. Brogan

    Brogan XenForo Moderator Staff Member

    Do you mean the administrator hasn't been made a moderator?
     
  3. rellect

    rellect Well-Known Member

    Yes
     
  4. Jeremy P

    Jeremy P Well-Known Member

    Sounds like you've set moderation permissions on the Admin usergroup instead of using the moderator system. What you really should do is separate them and add any administrators that need moderation powers to the moderators list.

    They are meant to be separate, Administrators aren't implicitly Moderators.
     
  5. Moshe1010

    Moshe1010 Well-Known Member

    Why? What's the point of administrators without moderation power?
     
  6. Jeremy P

    Jeremy P Well-Known Member

    That's just the way the system was designed to be used. Administrators that need moderation power should be Moderators as well.

    Sure, you can give moderation permissions to the admin usergroup, but you will encounter oddities like OP.
     
  7. Moshe1010

    Moshe1010 Well-Known Member

    This doesn't make sense. It's like giving somebody a title of a CEO in a company, but restricting him from doing regional manager tasks at the same company.
     
  8. Chris D

    Chris D XenForo Developer Staff Member

    Actions will only be logged by users who are specifically moderators - that is a user who has been given the role of a moderator (either content or super) from the Admin CP > Users > Moderators screen.

    A user can be an administrator without being a moderator and an admin can log into the Admin CP without having any extra abilities on the front end.
     
  9. Brogan

    Brogan XenForo Moderator Staff Member

    Administrators are not moderators, and vice versa.

    I have administrators on my site who have no moderating permissions whatsoever.
     
  10. Moshe1010

    Moshe1010 Well-Known Member

    So why are they administrators?
     
  11. Brogan

    Brogan XenForo Moderator Staff Member

    To administer the back end of the forum.

    Not to moderate the content.
     
  12. Chris D

    Chris D XenForo Developer Staff Member

    So they can log into the Admin CP.
     
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  13. Jeremy P

    Jeremy P Well-Known Member

    Administrators manage the backend. Styles, phrases, settings, removing users, etc etc.

    Moderators manage the frontend.

    They are separate things. If you want your administrators to have moderation power, then what you're really saying is you want them to be both administrators and moderators.
     
  14. Mike

    Mike XenForo Developer Staff Member

    A mostly unrelated bug report is probably not the ideal place to have a philosophical discussion about the definition of an admin.
     
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