I have no wish to derail the California Case thread... so have moved this to a new thread. A licence is a license regardless of being "for profit" or not, any license not sold by any forum software company hurts that company.. but it doubly hurts when it goes to your opposition. The longer this goes on, the greater the damage to IB's reputation, the greater the damage to the esprit d'corps of the vBulletin company and development team, and the less they are focussed on producing a better product and getting themselves out of the quagmire they have put themselves in.... and thus eventually they will be hurt by it, even with the die hard fanboy/toolazytomove/corporate inertia crowd who cling to the product in the face of the current problems they have. Similarly, the longer they can drag this out, the more it hurts Xenforo also, as the more fence sitters or people who are worried will be driven into the arms of another company.. (typically Invision Power Board from responses here) Currently you would have to say that is IPS is the only winner from this lawsuit .... picking up the overflow of dissatisfied vBulletin customers who are shopping around for a new solution. So both parties are being hurt by this lawsuit, ultimately only one party will win, but both will lose. Unless there is zero justice in the US system, that winner will be Xenforo.