Invision community Vs Xenforo

Arantor said:
The apparent lack of permissions doesn't appear to be hurting IC significantly. If it were truly that problematic, one assumes something would have been done by now (perhaps it is because other methodologies exist that aren't permissions driven to achieve goals?)

I spent many years with SMF, its permission roster is not too wildly different from XF and for both of them I don't recall ever touching most of them, leading to questions of 'in what situation would I actually need this?' and never getting an answer.
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Requests for better permissions were happening back in 1.3 and 2.x of Invision... That was 20+ years ago.

People likely aren't going to jump ship over it, but quite literally 20 years of having a major improvement ignored is quite a telling message. Similar can be said for XF, however XF does implement user suggestions when they are overhauling or adding to existing functionality, or at least have historically.

There is keeping things simple, and then there is just having a terrible permission system that is behind what is offered by almost every competitor, free or paid.
 
A concrete response would be to see what high traffic, large communities use the most whether XF or IPB. And when I say large, I mean those that generate significant revenue with their communities. For the rest of us (myself included), we tend to speak more from personal preference and a bit of bias. Keep in mind that my small community could easily be managed with KUNENA, BBPRESS, or something similar. But I stick with XF because I like it, it offers everything I need, and there's a community behind it that I adore. I don't like IPB because of their design, I find it horrible and tiring, and especially because of their subscription plan. But the verdict lies with those who manage high level communities.
 
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Arantor said:
Clearly they believe what they have is enough, though.
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Clearly its gotten to the point where you're going to say anything to continue to downplay XF whilst boosting IC.

To illustrate the absurd level you're taking in an effort to boost Invision Community:
When someone mentioned AMS you said it felt non-native... when it fact it uses the extact interface Xenforo Resource Manager does. I just about fell out of my chair laughing at how that was either grasping at straws, an example of ignorance about AMS & RM, or both.

Invision couldn't have a better shill pitchman than if they paid you. Then again, they have had shills before - one of them (here's looking at you "TJ") even admitted to me that he was on an insider's group with them. They had people like that to the level where almost all the regulars at TAZ left - no topic about Xenforo could be posted without them swooping in to say something negative.
 
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Arantor said:
SquareSpace, Fiver and Guild Wars 2 seem happy enough with IPS…
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That does not answer the point he made:
"A concrete response would be to see what high traffic, large communities use the most whether XF or IPB. And when I say large, I mean those that generate significant revenue with their communities."
 
MySiteGuy said:
When someone mentioned AMS you said it felt non-native..
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To me, last time I looked. I don't remember how long ago that was. And the last time I looked, IC felt more native to me. As with everything, YMMV. I'm almost certainly out of date on all of that, it's probably been a couple of years since I seriously looked.

I'm not shilling for either side, I'm just trying to see the positives and negatives in favour of both sides, because both solutions have their upsides - just neither is right for me right now, as evidenced by the fact that both my XF licence and IC licence are not in public use. I was hoping that 2.3 might change that, maybe IC 5 will change that, but right now, neither's winning. (If I were going to shill for anyone seriously, it would be being the token cheer-leader for SMF for most of the last 15 years.)

Joel's never been shy of admitting that he thinks IC is a superior solution for the kinds of community he wants to run, though he has been asking questions trying to find out if XF has viable options, and has tried to be neutral in those conversations.
 
Arantor said:
Clearly they believe what they have is enough, though.
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And that is the issue; Invision often ignores what the customer's request, and those customers quietly leave unless they're heavily invested.

Arantor said:
SquareSpace, Fiver and Guild Wars 2 seem happy enough with IPS…
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I know the person who worked on the original integration for IPS, and I believe they are still there... They chose it because at the time the option was vBulletin, XenForo (newly launched) or Invision.

vBulletin had gone downhill, and was not enjoyable to work with.

XenForo was involved with the lawsuit with vBulletin when they were making the decision, and they weren't sure when it was going to end. It was also very young software.

Invision had no real controversy at the time, and offered functionality not offered by the others.

By the same argument you just made, Sony Entertainment Online (then Daybreak) choosing to use XenForo while the lawsuit was going on for every game that they ran at the time is as equally as telling as your example.

Companies with large business investments into a platform do not often leave unless they have a choice, because the 6-12 months of testing prior to migration is a huge investment.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that the friend at ArenaNet despised working with Invision, and I bet if I reach out, he'll go on a rant about the software, especially regarding security. Big companies are very security minded, especially game companies where your user account is linked to your game account, so the most recent downplaying of a multi-year security issue is of huge concern.

Mr Lucky said:
Looking at the thread maybe it means Invision Community? But what is IPS and IPB then? Ids that something different. I did used to have an IPB forum, but it was horrible. Is it something else?
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Invision has had more brand changes and identity crises than some of the people who have gotten themselves banned from XenForo.
 
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Forsaken said:
And that is the issue; Invision often ignores what the customer's request, and those customers quietly leave unless they're heavily invested.


I know the person who worked on the original integration for IPS, and I believe they are still there... They chose it because at the time the option was vBulletin, XenForo (newly launched) or Invision.

vBulletin had gone downhill, and was not enjoyable to work with.

XenForo was involved with the lawsuit with vBulletin when they were making the decision, and they weren't sure when it was going to end. It was also very young software.

Invision had no real controversy at the time, and offered functionality not offered by the others.

By the same argument you just made, Sony Entertainment Online (then Daybreak) choosing to use XenForo while the lawsuit was going on for every game that they ran at the time is as equally as telling as your example.

Companies with large business investments into a platform do not often leave unless they have a choice, because the 6-12 months of testing prior to migration is a huge investment.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that the friend at ArenaNet despised working with Invision, and I bet if I reach out, he'll go on a rant about the software, especially regarding security. Big companies are very security minded, especially game companies where your user account is linked to your game account, so the most recent downplaying of a multi-year security issue is of huge concern.



Invision has had more brand changes and identity crises than some of the people who have gotten themselves banned from XenForo.
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Well, ANet switched to IC in 2017, which was long after XF was new. And I can well believe from an integration standpoint that it was annoying (because they did some very interesting things during the integration that aren’t standard IC features if I remember correctly, or maybe I don’t, dunno)

Clearly Sony thought XF was the best option for their needs at the time. Isn’t it great that multiple options exist in the world that suit different use cases and mindsets?
 
Mr Lucky said:
Looking at the thread maybe it means Invision Community? But what is IPS and IPB then? Ids that something different. I did used to have an IPB forum, but it was horrible. Is it something else?
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Invision Community the current product was first known as Invision Board or IBForums and renamed Invision Power Board or IPB followed by a further change of name to IPS Community Suite. The legally formed company is called IPS, inc. or Invision Power Services... I think :unsure:

Sounds like a company and product in search of an identity to me!
 

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