So that's why the staff in invision can make posts bashing XF. Because XF isn't their competitor.
Invision community Vs Xenforo
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A prime example of that was one of the reasons given to a change in their licencing terms and pricing and this is a word for word quote from a very senior member of their team; 'one huge area of abuse on the old way was people not renewing for 3 years, paying $50, and then getting 3 years worth of new software.'
Let's be realistic here and just look at the facts. I think we should keep an open mind. IPB might seem good and simple but not the best. Of course it doesn't mean that software is bad, but I believe that's not what people really want. People are looking for something different and that is XenForo because XenForo is one of the best forum software and this is what people want.
The Invision post is hilarious, I left a few years ago now when it was all going to s*1t over there, I got told off, banned for speaking my mind, best thing I did was move to xf and its a much better suite and has a much better staffing and forum help..........
Linus Tech Tips forum and there's quite a number of game publisher/developers that use it such as WildCard (Ark Survival), Obsidian (Avowed, Pillars of Eternity, Grounded). But most of them I know actively hate it and it is the pain of having to migrate a large forum with custom development that prevents them from migrating.
IPB has kind of catered a community similar to Apple, where you are happy with what they offer you and you try to stick to what they decide (at least since v2 and after). I do not see many large add-ons such as the ones you or @Bob make, and when I was looking at them to see if they fit the needs for a community most of the add-ons I was looking at were actively abandoned or buggy. I also find the styles to be very samey and lacking much originality now in comparison to back in v1/v2, where people like @Kim would often make designs that drastically changed how the forum would look (much to my frustration when having to code some of those headers
).The biggest flaw with IPB is the attitude. They do not easily take criticism, they do not like to hear opinions counter to their own, and they often make decisions that upset people and then punish those people for speaking out. Every general **** up by them (such as perpetual licensees) has been met with substandard customer service, and they then just continue to do the same thing over and over.
People can say what they want about XF (literally), but building a business or community you intend to invest countless hours into is much better on a platform that will actually treat you like a customer, and at least let you speak your mind (within reason).
I manage more than 1 million active users on my social networks...
In my 2 forums I have around 65,000 registered and active users, they will be 1%
A forum is not a social network but it must be brought to an attractive level for the users of 2024 who live on social media and have changed their web habits. The programmers of the boards who charge (and a lot) to buy their programs and instead have been stuck and immobile for years have to think about how to make it attractive!
It would be stupid to manage a newsletter solely from your forum if you have people spread out on different platforms.
There are literally services that would work on XenForo, and every service you likely use that would allow you to reach out to said people, all from one place.
On XF you can send a message to all users, or a filtered list, from the ACP. I imagine that Invision can do something similar.
Invision Community's biggest flaw is its slower page generation time compared to XenForo on the same hardware.
Their attitude comes in a close second.
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How? By becoming social media themselves?
It's like blaming a bike for not going fast enough and deciding to add a motor to it... but it's not a bike anymore, it's a motorcycle now. There are people who prefer cycling, why ask them to ride a motorbike...
If you have 1 million active users on your social networks it is because they like it, so much the better for them and for you... Your thinking is to say we have to transform the forums into social media to transfer these million users, but that doesn't make sense, they are two different tools, with two different populations.
The day XenForo looks like Facebook then I will no longer be one of their customers. You are fighting the wrong battle by wanting to change the forums, the forums are what they are and they are loved for what they are.
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And I would add: the best way to make a forum attractive is not an additional feature but quality content that is not, or rarely, found elsewhere.
So yes, fortunately we are no longer at phpBB, vBulletin, or XenForo Alpha version, all of them have evolved but the main thing is not to lose the very essence of their function: being forums.
So yes, fortunately we are no longer at phpBB, vBulletin, or XenForo Alpha version, all of them have evolved but the main thing is not to lose the very essence of their function: being forums.
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XF to vB: 3,2% who are those persons?
Curious as to when those were updated, but yeah most forums I visit are running xenforo. Especially the big gaming forums.
@digitalpoint how often are your cookie graphs updated?
There were a few people who had big tantrums prior to the 2.3 being tested.XF to vB: 3,2% who are those persons?
Monthly (on the 1st of the month).
That pie chart reflects what I've seen when coming across random forums on the web, that most of them are running XF, which is good news.
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