California Case Update

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Fred Sherman said:
That is a condition not limited to sociopaths. Many of us who suffer from Aspergers Syndrome have issues with emotional detachment. Its never a good idea to paint with too wide a stroke.
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Yes, I speak aspie as well... However, the difference is that Aspie's suffer with their condition, esp vis a vis the larger society and its rituals and behavior patterns that come naturally to most. Whereas sociopathic personalities generally do not suffer - except anxiety about getting caught. Anyway, back to the thread topic...
 
HydraulicJack said:
Yes, I speak aspie as well... However, the difference is that Aspie's suffer with their condition, esp vis a vis the larger society and its rituals and behavior patterns that come naturally to most. Whereas sociopathic personalities generally do not suffer - except anxiety about getting caught. Anyway, back to the thread topic...
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I think we need our own thread for this topic.
 
Anthony Parsons said:
Scary part though... it could have merit in the future based on current employment track of VB staff!!! :cautious:
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tbh, I did think that when I read Paul had been employeed / contracted by them, given their hatred of anything XF, it wouldn't surprise me if they in a few months accuse anyone vB / IB employee, ex-employee who has an account on XenForo of corporate espionage, they appear to be that paranoid.
 
MGSteve said:
I read Paul had been employeed / contracted by them, given their hatred of anything XF, it wouldn't surprise me if they in a few months accuse anyone vB / IB employee, ex-employee who has an account on XenForo of corporate espionage, they appear to be that paranoid.
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I would say to Paul... watch you back as well, especially considering you built and maintain the VB4 importer to XF.
 
Shamil said:
He could magically become part of the xth claim, CFAA.

Overall, (NOT IB but VBSI), is just ugh.
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I wouldn't be surprised with that as everyone included in the case are people who are interacting with Kier , Mike , Ashley and XenForo
 
Mert said:
It is a shame on who ever decided to include us into this case. I still can't believe what kind of moral ethic those managers have at IB. They are hurting people who did their job for them. I feel ashamed that i was part of their team then.
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;)

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Anthony Parsons said:
Correct... and I would seek legal advice for the specific country of origin.

I have been down this road myself, and begun legal proceedings against individuals across borders, hence how I found out the end scope of it for civil matters. I had to employ council within that country and lodge within that country, then attend within that country, to take legal proceedings against a citizen of that country. European countries I am talking about here. First hand experience equated to... waste of time, effort and the financial cost would have been huge, for still zero return, as you cannot get something from someone that they don't have.
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Sounds like you are talking about suing a person from a third country in that country. I assure you, for a citizen of the US, to sue a person from another country (so long as there is predicate subject matter and in personam jurisdction) can quite easily result in massive liability.

That last part is the "trick" though. The person needs to have "deep (enough) pockets" to make going after them make sense. A valid point to consider (and somewhat suggested by your posts) is that enforcing judgments can be cumbersome. But, just ignoring suits because they are from a person in another country is, IMO, way to simplistic way to look at things. People have lost a lot of money through default judgments by ignoring suits. As always, the facts of each case are the significant driving force in any conclusions to be drawn.
 
Depends on the amounts and what court its held through. The biggest issue, I think, for Mert and co. is that if they use Paypal for business IB could attach (seize) whatever assets are in it. Its the main reason why I think xenforo is dealing with the California suit at all.
 
Reeve of Shinra said:
Depends on the amounts and what court its held through. The biggest issue, I think, for Mert and co. is that if they use Paypal for business IB could attach (seize) whatever assets are in it. Its the main reason why I think xenforo is dealing with the California suit at all.
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The first point is directly on point and the real issue. But, paypal, or money flowing through US entities is not the only issue. Depending on the countries involved, a successful plaintiff can directly register and enforce a US judgment (or maybe not directly, but through an additional suit based on the judgment in the "home jurisdiction") in the defendant's country.

Bottom line, it is a really fact based issue, and the possible hypotheticals are so varied to make generalizations difficult. My point is that a generic positions of "they are suing me in another country, so I am safe" is not a safe generalization. For some folks, it will hold true. For others, it would be disastrous. (I guess, essentially, the point is that this is a complicated issue, one that does not lend itself to generalizations).
 
jadmperry said:
Sounds like you are talking about suing a person from a third country in that country. I assure you, for a citizen of the US, to sue a person from another country (so long as there is predicate subject matter and in personam jurisdction) can quite easily result in massive liability.
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At this rate, the person with the liability is going to lose more than just the money, but investors, and the company itself.
That last part is the "trick" though. The person needs to have "deep (enough) pockets" to make going after them make sense. A valid point to consider (and somewhat suggested by your posts) is that enforcing judgments can be cumbersome. But, just ignoring suits because they are from a person in another country is, IMO, way to simplistic way to look at things. People have lost a lot of money through default judgments by ignoring suits. As always, the facts of each case are the significant driving force in any conclusions to be drawn.
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At first, it seemed... easy. To me, at least. The only thing you'd need is a lawyer in that particular country. Ahem, a good lawyer.

But at second thought, it seems hmm... to put it lightly... "tough" to do [since you'd need deep pockets] and that's the part where I'm confused as to how... xenforo has survived this long. O_O

The other hard part is the whole... "going back and forth" communication. Not sure how the xen staff does it... to be honest.
 
Carlos said:
But at second thought, it seems hmm... to put it lightly... "tough" to do [since you'd need deep pockets] and that's the part where I'm confused as to how... xenforo has survived this long. O_O
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Legal expenses insurance. I'm not sure if xenforo have any, but given how smart the team is, I would take a guess that they probably took some out ;)

e.g. http://www.hiscox.co.uk/business-insurance/office-insurance/legal-expenses-insurance/, http://www.allianzlegalprotection.co.uk/
 
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