California Case Update

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I wish Pam. D. went on to explain how the copyright were invalidated in the case. I'm sure she meant part b to 17 USC 102.

Plaintiff’s claims for misappropriation of trade secrets are mooted by Plaintiff’s public disclosure of its alleged trade secrets long before the release of XenForo software.
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Hmm. What have I missed?
 
zappaDPJ said:
A PI sounds like the US equivalent of an application for summary judgement e.g. you cancel a cheque paid out for goods or services and the plaintiff applies for summary judgement because to all intents and purposes there is no defence against cancelling a cheque.
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We are talking US law. A summary judgement ends the case entirely. A preliminary injunction provides or prevents something from happening pending the outcome of the case, the winner being likely.

If my understanding of a PI is correct it seems a most extraordinary and foolhardy move in this case.
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It is very unusual, especially at this late phase.
 
It is a distasteful joke more than likely but whatever to that...everything that says vbulletin on it is a lie to me from now on anyways.
 
TheLaw said:
We are talking US law. A summary judgement ends the case entirely. A preliminary injunction provides or prevents something from happening pending the outcome of the case, the winner being likely.

It is very unusual, especially at this late phase.
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Thanks for the clarification.
 
I have just merged this thread with the original, closed 'Cali Case Update' thread posted back in December for a more complete overview of progress over time.

Shamil, you may want to take your content from the first post of the second thread and place it into the first post of this thread. You can find that post here: http://xenforo.com/community/posts/137001
 
For those who say "vB4 was rushed out of the door with LIMITED BETA TESTING." .. XenForo just came out of Beta after only a few months beta testing? It's just the quality of XenForo code is far superior to the vBulletin codebase which is tied down by 10 years of different coders putting their own things on it. XenForo is brand new, vBulletin's codebase is old and cluttered. No one person wrote the entirety of vBulletin's code. Two people wrote the entirety of XenForo's code.
 
Mikey said:
For those who say "vB4 was rushed out of the door with LIMITED BETA TESTING." .. XenForo just came out of Beta after only a few months beta testing? It's just the quality of XenForo code is far superior to the vBulletin codebase which is tied down by 10 years of different coders putting their own things on it. XenForo is brand new, vBulletin's codebase is old and cluttered. No one person wrote the entirety of vBulletin's code. Two people wrote the entirety of XenForo's code.
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You do know vB 4 was slated to be rewritten? or did you just not bother to read how vB 4 was just to generate money for the investors and not providing quality coding for customers.

You should read this thread and or doc. You will find that IB did not see Kier's vision of starting from new, as they brush an experience Lead Developer and all under him aside.
 
At the end of the day, no one really cares how long the Beta period was .... if the released version functions well.
The beta period is to find problems and fix them before a wider release.
Considering now, vB4 has a large number of bugs and Major problems ...... there are only 2 possible conclusions.
(1) The Beta was adequate, major bugs were found, but the product was released anyway.
(2) The Beta was so limited, no problems were found.
Either way IB really messed up.
 
Jose Amaral Mota said:
You do know vB 4 was slated to be rewritten? or did you just not bother to read how vB 4 was just to generate money for the investors and not providing quality coding for customers.
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I know vB4 was meant to be a complete rewrite, I'm not trying to defend vB here ;) I'm simply saying that I noticed people jumping on the fact that vB4 only had limited public beta testing, and pointing out that XenForo also only had limited public beta testing..
 
Mikey said:
I know vB4 was meant to be a complete rewrite, I'm not trying to defend vB here ;) I'm simply saying that I noticed people jumping on the fact that vB4 only had limited public beta testing, and pointing out that XenForo also only had limited public beta testing..
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Limited? they sold it under beta and vB 4 was not. ( for a reason, as they knew the product was going to fail.) Everyone that bought it before they could use it was duped. You do remember that vB 4 took over one day to get it to work on vB.coms live site.

Peggy said:
Were customers able to purchase vb4 while in beta? I don't remember.
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No... (not a download) If it was, then I and everyone else would of ask for a full refund...
 
Jose Amaral Mota said:
You do know vB 4 was slated to be rewritten? or did you just not bother to read how vB 4 was just to generate money for the investors and not providing quality coding for customers.

You should read this thread and or doc. You will find that IB did not see Kier's vision of starting from new, as they brush an experience Lead Developer and all under him aside.
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XenForo 1.0 was released when they had included most of the reported bugs by the community. They got feedback, used it and improved their product before releasing it.

vBulletin 4 in alpha and beta testing didn't get any of the bugfixes from the bugs reported by the community. I don't know if you were actually there, but there were so much bugs no one ever bothered to fix. Everyone pretty much realized gold would be released soon even though there were huge amounts of problems for everyone. I think there actually were several topics about "gold" not meaning gold anymore, because of the point were it was released.

If you compare those two stories, you might realize why it's so painful to read that IB themselve summarizes it as "limited testing", because the whole community had been shouting at them for months (even before beta release, but also during and after) and they pretty much just closed their eyes and told us that it was a superior product.. and according to them, it was true cause they said so. The fact that they didn't even properly update how the CMS would look (they had screenshots and pictures, and after the release they just told us it became obsolete and changed it to something way worse when we reacted with surprise) thus getting sales based on things not even in the actual product is something IB seemed to have forgotten. (and don't think they did anything with the feedback on thát subject).

Annnnnyway. This probably shouldn't have been posted. Sorry XF.
 
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