No, you can find prime ministers in Germany, Australia, Argentinia, Chile, Switzerland and several other countries world wide, who are or were female. However, she was the first one ever.
Breaking News - Margaret Thatcher Dies.
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No, you can find prime ministers in Germany, Australia, Argentinia, Chile, Switzerland and several other countries world wide, who are or were female. However, she was the first one ever.
Lisa
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Yes she has been our only female Prime Minster, she was also the longest serving PM (in the UK) in the 20th century as well - 11 years.I meant in the UK.
MGSteve
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Without derailing the thread - its a turn of phrase and my wife and I are Pagan and quite acustomed to the witch stereotype. I don't for one minute believe Mike meant any malice in using the phrase and to be honest, none should really be taken. Possibly a case of a poor choice of words though, bearing in mind the origin of the phrase! (Which I have to admit, I googled and had to laugh at the irony).
EQnoble
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He was referring to this (a single fictitious character ) in a story and I am sure he meant nothing against witches in the cultural concept.
I believe he is literally speaking on a reference to the Wizard of Oz to the effect of saying..."this is not a let's celebrate she's dead thread" which in the way he said it was meant to be more of a come on guys this is not a diss thread, don't make it one, that is not what this place is for.
On another note....I must be the only moron who caught that Wizard of Oz reference yet had to google Margaret Thatcher to find out that she wasn't an author. Oops.
To those who loved her... sorry for your loss, to those who hated her just give people who did not a place to talk about it.
mistypants
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Oh yes, I say it with hope that there will be more in the future.I meant in the UK.
Shelley
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Anyone rejoicing over the death of any person really need to look at themselves but since it's the UK, this doesn't surprise me one little bit.
Envy of her achievements perhaps? Who knows.
erich37
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Margaret Thatcher..... I guess that's the one who declared war against a small tiny island
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War
Shelley
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Margaret Thatcher..... I guess that's the one who declared war against a small tiny island
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War
She never declared war. Argentina invaded the falklands and took over the island and then the british stepped in and took it back from them. If I'm not mistaken (and i could very well be wrong) HMS Sheffield was sunk as a result of the conflict but from my understanding she had backbone and stood her ground with this fiasco and it's one of the good areas I admire about her when she tackled this issue with Argentina.
Morgain
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Shelley I do not think the rejoicing is personal about the woman who died. Her time was well due and she had the best of care and enjoyed her life, so there is little to regret in her dying on a personal level.
It is what she stands for that matters, as the founder of the era we now live in.
You are not being forced ti endure the long term effects of her work in dismantling the postwar Britain so many of us took great pride in. Please do mot jeer at us. We are a deeply unhappy society. It's been very very tough having to watch and cope with the destruction of what was once a decent society dear to us. The grief and despair so many of us feel for our country is immense.
We tried to stop it happening but what freedom we once had to object, to resist, was greatly reduced - by her.
Any death is symbolic. This one is a sign - perhaps -of the end of what she began. So the many here who have been mourning so long feel a little hope. Something better might be possible for our children after all.
We are desperate, looking for such small signs of hope. But when you are desperate, in despair, small hope is better than none.
Nudaii
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I fully agree, while I may or may not agree with a persons policies or beliefs, I find anyone rejoicing over anyone's death is sick.
Affected minority or not, take the higher path and react to the death of anyone for the tragedy it is, rejoicing in death just makes you look tasteless.
Margaret Thatcher..... I guess that's the one who declared war against a small tiny island
If serious, go back to school. Shocking how out of touch people can be.
Mark3121
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She was great, Britain was in tatters in 78 when she came in, rubbish on the streets everywhere and people not even being buried because of striking, she kicked the left wingers into touch and got rid of the unions that were ruining this country. It was great to watch.
RIP
RIP
Morgain
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I have explained the rejoicing is not about the personal death but at the symbolic end of an age of suffering.
See my post which starts by addressing Shelley above.
I'm not sure if anyone would see death as "the tragedy it is" in such an absolute and universal way.
In this case for example it would have been a very welcomed event. the lady was physically and mentally decrepit, with not much left at all of the personality and mind which some have admired, and even those who loathe her recognise she was clever.
To be a barely half alive creature is tragic. For that state to end is not.
Many others find death a kind and welcoming embrace - others with agonising conditions facing worse to come especially loss of mental ability and identity - sometimes those widowed late in life to whom their loss is unbearable so the time left is simply waiting to die.
I have held the dying in different situations, in different faith settings, and by no means all dread it.
In many religious paths death is interpreted as liberation so rejoicing is entirely appropriate, not tasteless at all. There is understanding that the bereaved may feel distress but even that is tempered (in these traditions) by expecting to rejoin the dead person before very long.
It is well known among hospice workers however that fundamentalist Christians are poorly equipped to face death and need a lot more support than others. They discover they are jsut like everyone else, not the superior elite they thought themselves to be and the shock and anger can unhinge them after a whole life of an unhelpful and rigid mindset.
In the secular traditions close relatives or friends who have been forced to watch long periods of pain or indignity, or both, the death is a happy event. It releases the trapped attendants, and grieving has already been done as they are forced to see the person steadily lose their humanity. The lightness and freedom that follow this kind of death within days, even hours, can range from peacefully happy to ecstatic.
Lisa
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/sorry moderators.. I'll take my punishment now (so long as it's performed shirtless by you guys).
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